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Old 10-18-2011, 09:09 AM   #81
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PC?

I have been detained two times by HC Sheriff's Dept. and they just told me that it was to check my "papers"

I was not speeding, no faulty equipment or any traffic violation. As always all my documentation was correct. "M" class license, insurance and inspection. I ask him why he stop me and he just mentioned that it was normal routine to stop bikers to check all documents. He ask me to sit on the sidewalk while checking my DL in the computer. It took him like 15 minutes to check my DL!!

For the LEO's in this board: What they check in the computer when you get stop? and why takes so long? Thanks.
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In order to detain someone (vehicle or no vehicle) reasonable suspicion is needed, which is a lower standard than PC.
In order to stop someone on TRAFFIC, you need probable cause.

You can't just pull people over on a whim. You cannot pull someone over because they're on a motorcycle. This is neither probable cause OR reasonable suspicion.

Reasonable suspicion applies to stops where something or someone is out of place, and you have cause to stop and investigate, ask questions, etc. A motorcycle driving down a road, especially one that is known to the officer, having stopped him several times before, certainly does not qualify as reasonable suspicion.
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For the LEO's in this board: What they check in the computer when you get stop? and why takes so long? Thanks.
Hard to say, but it's most likely waiting on a return from their dispatch checking for warrants. The onboard computer will tell you some levels of warrant checks, but not all. To run the full gamut, you have to have it done at a console. It may be that there was an ulterior motive, like a bike similar to yours was stolen recently and they were checking the hotsheet... All kinds of reasons why, but they're just speculation at this point.
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Not true. Probable cause is required for any traffic stop, regardless of the vehicle.

Not according to the Texas Legislature....as I said, ask any lawyer (I'm not a lawyer, but I'll play one on the forum).
This is a TEXAS law. You could also ask any cop....they know exactly what they can get away with.
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:24 PM   #86
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Not according to the Texas Legislature....as I said, ask any lawyer (I'm not a lawyer, but I'll play one on the forum).
This is a TEXAS law. You could also ask any cop....they know exactly what they can get away with.
lol you just talked w/ a cop.
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You guys would be amazed at how much you can limit a LEOs power during a traffic stop. At least in theory the bill of rights protects you. But most people are too dumb to know them and cower down the to any officers demands or threats

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I ride memorial all the time, almost always see cops especially at night, but I have never been pulled over.
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:18 PM   #89
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lol you just talked w/ a cop.
lulz, you'd think they would catch on.

Hi, I'm road name Brain. I'm Los Carnales MC South Houston Chapter secretary. By the way, Los Carnales is a law enforcement MC. I've been a cop for 24 years now. My career specialty is vehicular collision; I'm an advanced collision reconstructionist. I periodically teach the topic at local colleges and for police academies. I've testified in numerous multimillion dollar cases.

Probable cause is required in order to make a traffic stop. You can stop and question someone for reasonable suspicion (which is not a traffic stop), but you need to articulate that reasonable suspicion, and simply being on a motorcycle AIN'T IT. There's nothing suspicious about being on a motorcycle.

For example - Say a patrolman has knowledge of a rash of nighttime burglaries in a specific area, and he's out on blacked out patrol in a neighborhood, and he sees a carload of people slow-rolling through the neighborhood, looking at houses. They shut off their lights and sit still for a while. Does he have reasonable suspicion? Sure, he can stop them and talk to them, ID them, ask what they're up to. This is not a traffic stop. It's an investigative contact.

Say they inform him they were looking at addresses, found it, and are waiting for someone to come out of that house over there. Sure enough, here she comes out the front door. "Hi Susie, took you long enough." Guess what? It's over. He can't continue to investigate, can't run them, can't search them. His reasonable suspicion is over. They're not burglars.

Second example - Officer sees a motorcycle, and has this idea that many motorcyclists do not have class M licenses and do not carry insurance. He stops this motorcycle just to check. Does he have reasonable suspicion? NO. He has no reason to think this one particular guy has no license or insurance; he just wants to find out. That is an illegal stop. He needs probable cause. He needs to see a violation.

See, here's the thing. When you are stopped on a traffic stop, you actually are under arrest. It's a short duration arrest, and when you sign the ticket, you are actually posting a personal recognizance bond, promising to appear in court. If you don't sign the ticket, you are NOT bonded, and you have to be taken to see the judge. A traffic stop IS an arrest, under the strictest sense of the law. There has to be a violation.
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the reality is prob. 90% of motorcycle have a reason (ie, "loud" illegal exhaust, "hidden" license plate, ???) that they can be 'pulled over' for........
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X - are you saying 90% of the motorcycles on the road have some sort of illegal visible or audible cause for a stop??
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X - are you saying 90% of the motorcycles on the road have some sort of illegal visible or audible cause for a stop??
yup, all mine have been illegal in some way. mostly exhaust system

ya that little decal/imprint that says "for off-road use only"
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It doesn't take much effort to stop any vehicle in Houston. Wait five minutes, you will see a traffic violation.

When I stop a vehicle strictly for traffic reasons and I'm pretty sure that I will be issuing a citation, I immediately let the violator know why I stopped them. I can recall virtually any traffic stop I have from memory because I say the exact same thing every single stop. Anything that deviates from that is noted in the comments section of the ticket. This is where I write down if the violator tells me he was speeding because his sick mother is in the hospital or they have a case of explosive diarrhea and are trying to make it to the bathroom.

It don't take much conversation to write a ticket, especially if I'm not doing any type of interdiction a something related to a criminal investigation. Some of these officers just need to write the citation and STFU. I'm not there to babysit and teach adults how to drive, they should no that already and there's no reason to have to debate on the side of the road.
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Is that what you say in court? If you stop someone while they are in a vehicle it is a traffic stop for investigation purposes (Ride Smart). If you stop someone while they are in a vehicle for a traffic code violation it is a traffic stop and PC is needed. Still a traffic stop with different outcomes no matter what your agency calls it. You are still "seizing" them.
Never mind, dude.

Hopefully everyone else understood the difference.
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here with donuts
Awesome. Got any kolaches in that bag?
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It doesn't take much effort to stop any vehicle in Houston. Wait five minutes, you will see a traffic violation.
That long??

Too many cops on this board...WTF..
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Awesome. Got any kolaches in that bag?
yeah dont you know we are sophisticated now. we don't eat donuts we eat kolachies
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yeah dont you know we are sophisticated now. we don't eat donuts we eat kolachies
Jalapeno sausage and cheese, please. I am a Texan, after all.
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