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Old 10-24-2011, 01:06 PM   #61
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:17 PM   #62
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I see you point. Sorry, the main out put should be "the program of the motor", not the motor itself.

So if the program is designed to allow the bike to run 150hp, then no matter what you do (changing oil, filter....etc) would only allow to come close to that number, but not exceeding it, unless the program is changed (thaz when the PCIII comes along)
So any modifications will have no effect unless you program the bike?
Cold air intake?
Exhaust?
Synthetic oil?

None of these would change at the crank horsepower?
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So any modifications will have no effect unless you program the bike?
Cold air intake?
Exhaust?
Synthetic oil?

None of these would change at the crank horsepower?
Thats not what he was meaning.

He was talking about fuilds and oil filters. No, it doesnt make your bike faster.

In his previous post he said with out making engine modifications.


On another note, changing your exhaust and a highflow air filter WILL slightly increase your HP output, but the full potential is not achieved unless the bike is retuned.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:57 PM   #64
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So any modifications will have no effect unless you program the bike?
Cold air intake?
Exhaust?
Synthetic oil?

None of these would change at the crank horsepower?
Those help you gain back whaz lost between motor and wheel.
When I said program, I meant the original set up including computer programs, the angle of the cam, even the valve spring type, etc.
But once HP transfers to oil, it makes HP lose some, then clutch, gears, chain all the way down to the wheel. The factory set HP loses along the way.

So change oil type, intake, exhaust, etc. only allows to come close to factory set HP, but not exceeding it.

I haven't seen any dyno charts of any bikes that exceeds what the factory claims. Ex. one ofthe guys that I know did all those conventional modification to his FZ1, and his on wheel gain is 147 best, where Yamaha claims 150.
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Old 10-24-2011, 02:01 PM   #65
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On another note, changing your exhaust and a highflow air filter WILL slightly increase your HP output, but the full potential is not achieved unless the bike is retuned.
Exactly my point.

And no way, any internal combustion motors could achieve their full potential (ex. 150 motor / 150 on wheel)
why not? Bcuz friction always gotta a role.
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I used rotella on my 01 zx6e when it had some valve noise. rotella40 weight and the noise went away. Could have just been the heavy oil though.
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Good, bad?
Perfectly fine.

Motorcycles which share the transmission oil with the engine oil cannot use oil which has friction modifiers in it like most car oils. Diesel oils, which is ultimately what RotellaT is, can be used in a bike no problem.

If you have a bike that has separate oil for engine and transmission (i.e. HD) you can use car oil in the engine, but have to use something else in the transmission.
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Seriously use the search.... This has been discussed plenty....


Your car/ bike will run with water, vegetable oil, ect. But would u use it? NO it's not meant for it then don't use it period. Y is this so hard and complicated for people?
It wont run with water. Water does not compress. VERY bad things happen when you put water in an engine.
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If it's not a motorcycle oil branded item, I'm not going to put that in my bike.
And people like you are how marketing justifies their existence...
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:28 PM   #70
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And people like you are how marketing justifies their existence...


People that I know using Rotella, the history (based on the posts on many forums I have seen) goes way back in 2006, and if there should've been problems, wouldn't it have been shown by now already?
It's says JASO-MA rated, then JASO-MA rated it is.

And people claim that they lose HP with Rotella...well, not to disbelieve that but I would really like to do a blind fold test to see is it physical or just psychological.

Again, based on couple guys from FZ1 forum who sent their oil sample in (after 5k miles), all the results still indicated "lubricant : plenty"
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:55 PM   #71
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Perfectly fine.

Motorcycles which share the transmission oil with the engine oil cannot use oil which has friction modifiers in it like most car oils. Diesel oils, which is ultimately what RotellaT is, can be used in a bike no problem.

If you have a bike that has separate oil for engine and transmission (i.e. HD) you can use car oil in the engine, but have to use something else in the transmission.
This sounds legit and makes sense, remember this oil delema is only if you want to not mandatory so no need for the ''Im better I have conclusive data from the lab" attitude If you all think this oil will destroy your engine than dont use it . If I owned a brand new bmw 1000rr then I wouldnt bull and of course I would use chepest walmart garbage oil, but I dont have a bmer I have 2 hondas.
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Suitable for everything but m/c...... Their not going to stand behind it I'n a m/c... If it was meant for a m/c it would have a m/c were it shows "suitable for"...... I'm done here. Motors are expensive, oils cheap...
ive tore into 2 motors that one swore by rottella and the another swore by motul, with equal miles and if i didnt know that by them telling me so id have no idea. both were very clean and very solid showing little to no wear.

i used rotella a bunch with 0 problems
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I'd use rotella t6 and just increase the frequency. Prolly will too considering I get it dirt cheap and have gallons of the stuff.

Worst case scenario for me, I do motor work slightly sooner than planned and make something stupid.
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sooner than planned and make something stupid.
not gonna happen
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rotella threads last as long as the motors that are lubed with the stuff.
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At lunch time today I walked down to the Shell building and asked the lady at the front desk if it was ok to use in my motorcycles and she said yes.
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At lunch time today I walked down to the Shell building and asked the lady at the front desk if it was ok to use in my motorcycles and she said yes.
right like the woman folk know about oil
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At lunch time today I walked down to the Shell building and asked the lady at the front desk if it was ok to use in my motorcycles and she said yes.
Clyde was working eh?
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