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Old 10-11-2011, 09:59 AM   #21
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i use it in everything...diesel truck, all my bikes, lawnmower...

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Would they really stand behind it anyway? bluewave arent U having a really expensive engine problem right now? maybe they will reimburse U I honestly dont see any oil manufacturer paying for a engine repair, that being said I use it in several engines with no issues
Maybe they will hook me up. The ex. cam was worn to on one lobe and I had lower than expected HP numbers. Its back together as of yesterday. Now Im having #1 secondary injector problems.
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send them copys of the receipts and make up a labor bill maybe they will just drop u a check in the mail, fuggers, that sux, been checking out the build, wanna come out and watch u guys run sometime, might even bring my slow azz chit out too, just dont beat me up too bad, wish I could build a grudge or shootout bike
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Suitable for everything but m/c...... Their not going to stand behind it I'n a m/c... If it was meant for a m/c it would have a m/c were it shows "suitable for"...... I'm done here. Motors are expensive, oils cheap...

Meets JASO MA requirements right there in your picture.

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**JASO (Japanese Automotive Standards Organization) defines and publishes motorcycle and automotive standards. JASO MA is the highest certified rating of motorcycle engine oil used with wet, multi-plate clutches. All Yamalube products listed here meet or exceed the JASO MA1 standard - the best for motorcycle engines.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:09 AM   #25
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http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php...hlight=rotella

Wins the poll on the wera forums, tons of people use it and have been for sometime.
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a guy from FZ1 forum did a long term analyze and follow up on that. Every report shows plenty of lubricant after 5K and the harmful materials are very minimal. He uses T6 and I have been using that for the past 5k. MPG still the same, bike still respond the same. Shell stands behind it since it's JASO rated (they can't lie abt it, can they?)
Oh, follow up on what I said. That guy actually emailed Shell R&D and tried find out about the myth, but didn't get a respond. So he emailed RoyalPurple which is also JASO MA rated, and they responded him back.

They said " if the oil is JASO MA rated, it's ok to be in m/c even though the tag on the bottle doesn't mention about it. As long as it's not raced with and is changed on the right interval, it would be fine."

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If it's not a motorcycle oil branded item, I'm not going to put that in my bike.
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Been using it for many years as do a lot of people at the track. In fact I use it in all my vehicles. Spoke to Shell some years ago and they assured me it was safe to use in motorcycles with a wet clutch due to not having the friction modifiers that energy conserving oils have for certain cars.
Many years ago it was not JASO certified for motorcycle only because it did not meet the ash levels by 0.002% as Japan required. Back then they had told me they were working on it. As I see now i is JASO approved.
The only oil that you should not use in a wet clutch bike is an energy conserving oil.
Having said that, people that want to use Motul, Mobil1, ....etc please continue to do so, they are good oils as well and the rest of us would like to keep the Shell Rotella at a low price. When I started using the T6 it was @ $11 a gallon and only sold in drums and gallon containers. Now it is $22 a gallon at Walmart ($32 at Autozone) and sells in quart bottles as well.............so please keep the secret to yourself
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Been using it for many years as do a lot of people at the track. In fact I use it in all my vehicles. Spoke to Shell some years ago and they assured me it was safe to use in motorcycles with a wet clutch due to not having the friction modifiers that energy conserving oils have for certain cars.
Many years ago it was not JASO certified for motorcycle only because it did not meet the ash levels by 0.002% as Japan required. Back then they had told me they were working on it. As I see now i is JASO approved.
The only oil that you should not use in a wet clutch bike is an energy conserving oil.
Having said that, people that want to use Motul, Mobil1, ....etc please continue to do so, they are good oils as well and the rest of us would like to keep the Shell Rotella at a low price. When I started using the T6 it was @ $11 a gallon and only sold in drums and gallon containers. Now it is $22 a gallon at Walmart ($32 at Autozone) and sells in quart bottles as well.............so please keep the secret to yourself
it's all about how they tag the bottle and market the products.
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If it's not a motorcycle oil branded item, I'm not going to put that in my bike.
Is your fuel moto "branded"? I bet you need moto branded brake fluid too.
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has anyone sent samples out to blackstone lab for oil testing (i think i got the lab name right)?

run the same bike, send in samples, compare.
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has anyone sent samples out to blackstone lab for oil testing (i think i got the lab name right)?

run the same bike, send in samples, compare.
Yes, read my previous text.
That guy did a 2 straight tests, 5k each back to back on the non synthetic Rotella JASO MA rated (I believe,...the post was couple years back.) The results both came out normal.

He also did another 10k straight, no oil change in between. Guess what, the result showed normal too from the lab report.
He has a FZ1 Gen I from 01 or 02, and about a year ago, he had a post announcing that it hit 100k odo. Thaz when I switched over to Rotella

Which makes me think again, it's all how the products are marketed.
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A friend of mine with a racing connection says if I switch to moto specif oil that I'll gain at least 10 hp.
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Is your fuel moto "branded"? I bet you need moto branded brake fluid too.
+1 good point.

oh oh, and those wax that has car picture on in can't not be applied on the motorcycle either
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I see what you did
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A friend of mine with a racing connection says if I switch to moto specif oil that I'll gain at least 10 hp.
That can be justified very easily as long as someone here has a connection to a dyno and 2 bottles of oil, Rotella and Mobil each.

On a racing tuned motor, it might be true, but on a daily usage tuned motor like yours or mine, no way you see that 10hp increment. I don't have a data to back that up but that 10hp on motorcycle should be like "night and day" for rider to feel it, not just "yea~~ it runs more smoothly, and the gas respond is quicker....". No, we are talking about huge, massive difference for you to feel it.

Well, at least I didn't feel it.
(I switched to Mobil between Rotella one time back then just for the heck of it)
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Yes, read my previous text.
That guy did a 2 straight tests, 5k each back to back on the non synthetic Rotella JASO MA rated (I believe,...the post was couple years back.) The results both came out normal.

He also did another 10k straight, no oil change in between. Guess what, the result showed normal too from the lab report.
He has a FZ1 Gen I from 01 or 02, and about a year ago, he had a post announcing that it hit 100k odo. Thaz when I switched over to Rotella

Which makes me think again, it's all how the products are marketed.
i just reread post 14. i was thinkig it'd be interesting comparing different oils in the same bike with new filters from the same batch, instead of a set of results from one bike using one type of oil.
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I did see a dyno comparison of reg oil vs Royal Purple on Horsepower TV. They showed a 10 hp increase by changing engine oil, diff, and trans to RP. It was a chassis dyno.
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