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Old 09-08-2011, 01:53 PM   #21
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I'm not sure if I'm convinced the synthetic even does this. do you have data to prove this?
for what it's worth bryan, back when I had my subaru I would send my oil samples to black stone for analysis. I was approved for 12k miles on the redline oil (synthetic) I was using between oil changes. Where as with the dino oil i used the first 20k miles or so was only approved for 4-5k miles. I can try to dig up the old blackstone reports if you want, but call blackstone labs, they'll tell ya
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:00 PM   #22
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I just did the first service on my bike (800 miles) and ive already swapped over to Amsoil full synthetic
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I like to see people who dont know argue with a mechanic.

no i'm not a mechanic. so if anyone is able to provide real evidence that Synthetic is such a godsend then please step forward. but, consider this. if it truly was the bees-knees, then we would of phased out dino oil by now.
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no i'm not a mechanic. so if anyone is able to provide real evidence that Synthetic is such a godsend then please step forward. but, consider this. if it truly was the bees-knees, then we would of phased out dino oil by now.
Why would they phase out something that sells? Not everyone wants to pay for the bees-knees.
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watch this and it will tell you all you need to know, have to wait til the 4 minute mark for the oil recommendation

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12250870/moto-houston
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no i'm not a mechanic. so if anyone is able to provide real evidence that Synthetic is such a godsend then please step forward. but, consider this. if it truly was the bees-knees, then we would of phased out dino oil by now.
http://www.synthetic-motor-oil-chang...-to-synthetic/


It is by far superior, too be honest I thought this was common knowledge.
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Why would a new bike not come with synthetic? Mine did, and it's always had it.
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no i'm not a mechanic. so if anyone is able to provide real evidence that Synthetic is such a godsend then please step forward. but, consider this. if it truly was the bees-knees, then we would of phased out dino oil by now.
It is FAR superior. Dino oil sells for the same reason Hyosung can stay in business - there's always going to be people who do not want to pay for the good stuff.

Besides, even dino oil works just fine, especially if you're a casual rider.

Personally, I wouldnt run anything but synthetic in my bike or cars. I knew far too many engineers at Mobil when they were developing Mobil 1 who had hundreds of thousands of miles on cars which had only had a single oil change - that being the one where they took out the factory dino oil and put in Mobil 1. They changed the filters like clockwork at recommended intervals, but the oil itself was hundreds of thousands of miles old. Mobil was trying to find out real world failure points. AFAIK, they never found it.




I cannot believe a thread was started on this on MH. I thought I had seen enough of this garbage on the HD Forums.
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Thanks to everyone who posted some helpful info.

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A bunch of trolls in this thread.
Anyways, I run Mobil-1 synthetic and change at the bike manufacturer's recommended mileage.
I also keep track of my oil changes for warranty purposes.
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A bunch of trolls in this thread.
where?
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:35 PM   #33
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Unlike all of you that worry about this, i have no idea what is in mine... its just whatever Motorcycles Unlimited puts in there


I did get a chuckle out the the AMSOIL post above tho, If you use a different fileter then change it at regular intervals and keep the oil. The filter is the PITA, if I'm changing it, might as well change the oil too.
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My pop worked in the petrochem additive industry for his entire life after college. He's a chemical engineer, first started as a grunt chem engineer with Ethyl Corporation, which was bought out by Albemarle, then by BP. He retired as an exec with British Petroleum about 6 years ago.

He knows a thing or two about petroleum, vehicle additives, oils, it's safe to say.

He tells me that the viscosity of synthetics takes forever to break down. He says the real reason to change oil with synthetics is simply to clear particles. He says swap to synthetics as soon as you have your first oil change, use a good quality filter, and never look back. He does not recommend the more frequent interval changes when you do that; he says you're wasting your money. Use the intervals in your manual, and even then you're still wasting your money. He swears by Mobil 1. If it's good enough for a 40 year petrochem industry chemical engineer and executive, it's good enough for his son.

Now I'm not going to go get him on this message board. Take this for what it's worth. I value his opinion even more than a legit, trained mechanic, and I'm reasonably sure legit mechanics will recommend synthetics as well, and you should switch to synthetics WELL before the car/motorcycle becomes old and worn out.

By the way... the main break-in period for a vehicle is really about 5 minutes. Once the vehicle gets up to normal running heat and speed, it will lose almost all of the grit it's going to in that time. Everything after that is just fluff. You still should not change the oil before you're supposed to, because many vehicles have additional additives in the starting oil that need to run for a while.
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