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Old 09-06-2011, 04:26 PM   #21
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nope. radio was broadcast in 1909 and harley was invented in 1901 and went into production in 1905
Well to be fair, Marconi did make his first transmission in 1899....
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And they've not improved a bit since...
Sigh, pretty much. Which sucks.

Although there is list of American motorcycle manufacturers their volume is so low you would never see them unless you look really hard. ATK, Boss Hoss, Confederate, Falcon, Fischer, Indian (now owned by Victory), MotoCzysz, Roehr, Rokon (those are weird), Ridley, Titan, Victory, and Whizzer. Plus, out of those only ATK, Confederate, Fisher, MotoCzysz, Roehr, and Rokon could claim "tech". Well if you really want you can lump in Whizzer.
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I think its humorous how (supposed) police officers make posts like that which in the end, just really hurt them. Those posts lose respect for them and can easily turn someone into not caring if a cop takes one in the back or not.


"Serve & protect" should be changed to "belittle and react".
lol havent you see the replies of many ppl here?

just about the same lol,, get used to it
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Sigh, pretty much. Which sucks.

Although there is list of American motorcycle manufacturers their volume is so low you would never see them unless you look really hard. ATK, Boss Hoss, Confederate, Falcon, Fischer, Indian (now owned by Victory), MotoCzysz, Roehr, Rokon (those are weird), Ridley, Titan, Victory, and Whizzer. Plus, out of those only ATK, Confederate, Fisher, MotoCzysz, Roehr, and Rokon could claim "tech". Well if you really want you can lump in Whizzer.
It isnt that HD can't improve, they just don't want to - and there are enough out there who have drunk so much of the Kool-aid that they don't have to.

Yeah - I own one, but only because I happen to really like that particular bike. Won't ever buy another.
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It isnt that HD can't improve, they just don't want to - and there are enough out there who have drunk so much of the Kool-aid that they don't have to.

Yeah - I own one, but only because I happen to really like that particular bike. Won't ever buy another.

I'm sure, somewhere buried in there organization, is an engineer who wants to build something cool. Although....the last time they did it they contracted it to porsche so maybe not.

Either way, there's very little financial incentive for Harley to invest in tech as one of their key selling points is the nostalgia associated with riding an air-cooled twin. The only advancements incorporated are those required to make warranty work less frequent.
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This is no different than suing McDonalds because the will make you fat. The product is loved and purchased by their consumers. So what if they are air cooled? Many seem to like that. If they win in court based on safety they could eventually be branded as unsafe and illegal to sell all together. like this me off.
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This is no different than suing McDonalds because the will make you fat. The product is loved and purchased by their consumers. So what if they are air cooled? Many seem to like that. If they win in court based on safety they could eventually be branded as unsafe and illegal to sell all together. like this me off.
Who are you and why are you being logical again? You know that doesn't work here.
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This is no different than suing McDonalds because the will make you fat. The product is loved and purchased by their consumers. So what if they are air cooled? Many seem to like that. If they win in court based on safety they could eventually be branded as unsafe and illegal to sell all together. like this me off.
On the one hand, I agree with you. On another though, I don't.

HD is intentionally producing hotter and hotter bikes. There are things they can do to reduce the heat output, but they simply choose not to, and there is no legitimate reason for them not to do it either.

When Yamaha for example is turning out bikes with even more displacement which run substantially cooler while meeting EPA standards, there really is no excuse for an HD to be running at clothing-burning temps.
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This is the plaintiffs' lawyers ginning up a poor case. If there really were pervasive issues related to the engine's design the case would already be certified as a class action. There is nothing for Harley lovers to be alarmed about, or lovers of air cooled engines generally for that matter.

Even if the plaintiffs win, this would not result in air-cooled engines being branded unsafe. It would simply result in some minor revisions on affected Harley models to head off further lawsuits.
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This is the plaintiffs' lawyers ginning up a poor case. If there really were pervasive issues related to the engine's design the case would already be certified as a class action. There is nothing for Harley lovers to be alarmed about, or lovers of air cooled engines generally for that matter.

Even if the plaintiffs win, this would not result in air-cooled engines being branded unsafe. It would simply result in some minor revisions on affected Harley models to head off further lawsuits.
Ahem - there are very pervasive issues with the engine design. HD is also fully aware of all of them.

From substandard parts, to arbitrary denial of warranty claims, to random application of TSBs and recalls...the list goes on and on and on...
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That is not gonna happen , I'm not a Hog owner , but they are a large part of the motorcycling community.
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On the one hand, I agree with you. On another though, I don't.

HD is intentionally producing hotter and hotter bikes. There are things they can do to reduce the heat output, but they simply choose not to, and there is no legitimate reason for them not to do it either.

When Yamaha for example is turning out bikes with even more displacement which run substantially cooler while meeting EPA standards, there really is no excuse for an HD to be running at clothing-burning temps.
Buyer beware. You should know what you are buying when you buy one. Buy it or dont, it's your option. Its the precedent the suit could set that worries me. Thats what its really all about.
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Buyer beware. You should know what you are buying when you buy one. Buy it or dont, it's your option. Its the precedent the suit could set that worries me. Thats what its really all about.
That's part of the issue though. Many of the things you don't discover until after you own it. You can't exactly find out just HOW hot the things are on a short test ride. You don't know about the -poor build quality inside the motor until it grenades itself 2 years down the road. At some point the manufacturer has to take responsibility for his product.

It would be one thing if most bikes were like HD, or even most air-cooled motors.
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Ahem - there are very pervasive issues with the engine design. HD is also fully aware of all of them.

From substandard parts, to arbitrary denial of warranty claims, to random application of TSBs and recalls...the list goes on and on and on...
Right, but those don't rise to a design defect products liability case, which the pants burning allegation entails. They're just bad business practices suitable for the local deceptive trade practices act, not a lawsuit in federal court. To win the plaintiffs are going to have to show that the engine's design caused them injury, and that a better design was feasible at the time of original design. Because a lot of Harley's design is meant to evoke nostalgia and is the reason the bikes are desirable it will be difficult to argue that alternative designs were available and feasible. More people purchase Harleys than metrics because of that "classic" design.

Allowing the case to proceed isn't guaranteeing a win to the plaintiffs. It sounds like they haven't entered discovery yet so the MoCo has plenty of additional opportunities to shut this down.

I missed the segment of the original post indicating this was a class action. Given that, this is probably an attempt to force settlement. The plaintiffs' attorneys are hoping that the remote possibility that this ends in a plaintiff's win combined with the negative publicity they are already generating will convince the MoCo to bow out early and settle.
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