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Old 10-31-2006, 02:26 PM   #1
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When to make a career move?

okay,

Here's my situation. I currently work for a large engineering firm as a designer/drafter (I design Civil-specifically land development). I have had this guy I know (I know him through church) who is the pres. of a smaller engineering firm here in Houston. His office contains 30 people whereas the company I work for now has 250 in the office. Well, he has been hounding my rear end for almost 6 months now to come over to his firm. Well, the time has come....He has offered me a 10K raise over what I make now and has also offered me a signing bonus and has told me that he hands out quarterly bonuses as well (anywhere from $500-2K/quarter based on your performance and what kind of profit your jobs make). You would think that this would be an easy decision, but is not. I am comfortable where I am at, I make pretty decent money as it is (although more couldn't hurt anybody), I have excellent job security (being that there are 2500 people employed here in the US), and I have excellent resources if I need them (there are engineers here that have 30+ years experience in this line of work). Anyhow, I just went out to lunch with a former Project Manager and he entertained me with an offer of his own. Almost the exact set-up as the guy I know. When should you make a move? Kinda interested in hearing people's responses, plus I'm a little bored here at work today. Thanks peeps
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10k is a nice bump for a move plus the other perks... I would weigh the entire benefits of each situation though.
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usually 30% more in pay is worth perking your ears up, would your current employer match that bump?

is that increase due to your friendship or industry standards?
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About the dilemma, try asking yourself this and then see which job fits it best:

Where do you want to be in 5 years? In which company do you have the best chances?
What is the work climate? Are they your kind of people?
How far is it too work? Commute can kill any mood. (Motorcycle parking? ;-) )
How much empowerment will you have at work?
What is the company's goal for the next 5 years?
Turnover rate? If a lot of people have 'just been there for a year or less' then maybe the climate isn't that good as this is indicated by others having left.
What is expected of you?

In general, smaller companies can mean more stress as they are less people to take over during vacation time or to share work during important projects. The climate can be good or bad, depending on the atmosphere. In general, you work closely with the owner and they may like to macromanage = less empowerment.

Good luck on your decision. I envy you!
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advice ... can give tons of advice

to state the obvious smaller company usually = more $$$ but less benefits and potential for upward mobility, larger company usually = okay pay with reasonable medical and dental (important if you have kiddos), upward mobility and dare i say security

as a general rule i never do business people i goto church with because when i've mixed theology and capitalism the outcome has always been the same ... someone develops issues and the relationship goes to

depending on your aspirations i would use the offer as leverage to get a bump in salary at your current employer ... just keep in mind you can only do this if they like you and you are willing to move cause they may just say see ya
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How much shorter or longer would your commute be?
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What about benefits?
Both companies offer medical, dental, and vision coverage....

Company "A" uses United Healthcare and the benefits are 100% absorbed by the company....no out of pocket cost to the employee on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. They also offer a 401K and they match .50 cents on the dollar up to 3% and require 5 years before you are vested(the company I work for now does .50 on the dollar up to 6% and also require the employee to put in 5 years before you are vested)

Company "B" offers CIGNA Healthcare and only offer a PPO and the costs are about the same as what I pay now. They do not have a 401K program, but do offer an IRA option.

I currently do not have any kiddos, but my current g/f (soon to be fiance'/wife if she doesn't act up any) works for the same company I am at now, so she could receive the family benefits if we have kiddos in the future.
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i don't get why it takes 5 years to be vested ... i thought there was a federal law passed a couple years back mandating corporations vest employees at 3 years ... may have only been for public companies

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usually 30% more in pay is worth perking your ears up, would your current employer match that bump?

is that increase due to your friendship or industry standards?
It's right at 30% increase and my current employer would probably match that number, but I think it would hurt my potential in the end...as I gain experience and would be looking to move up in the future...My boss is the kind that likes to hold grudges on like this....I don't think he's one to take kindly to "other offers" as a bargaining tool. I've pretty much decided I need to either make a move or stay put.

And that pay increase is industry standard. Almost all firms are looking for good drafters/designers.
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never do business with friens, family, or aquitances.
The guys not really a friend, more of an old aquaintance. I no longer attend the same church as him....we just "see each other around" as we are in the same line of business....
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How much shorter or longer would your commute be?
Company "A" is about 10 miles from where I currently live and is right off the Beltway and Richmond area.

Company "B" is near Greenway Plaza and about 2 miles more of a commute than what I do now.

I live @ Hwy. 6/290 and work at the clovers on Memorial/Waugh.
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And that pay increase is industry standard. Almost all firms are looking for good drafters/designers.
right, i'm in the same boat and a similar profession. maybe ask for a 15% increase and call it a day. you seem to enjoy your position and co. no need to sink the boat. but if you do ask and they deny, be ready to jump ship.

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If you are comfortable with the new circumstances take the $ and be prepared to deal with whatever the consequences may be. Nothing is ever guaranteed, and there is no such thing as job security.

Using this as leverage over your current employer is career suicide there.
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Take the money!!
That's what I thought when I first got the offer, BUT.....money isn't everything....although it is important.:BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
DECISIONS!!!!DECISIONS!!!!!DECISIONS!!!!!
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me, quailty of workplace is also important........as long as current job isn't to far outta the ballpark.

i know engineering firms where they aren't allowed to surf. is it worth X $ dunno, but it would suck.

worked at eng. firms where the CAD mgr sat behind all of us and watched the work going..........worth the X $.........dunno, 2 telephones between 12 people.

$ isn't everything.
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