MotoHouston.com MotoHouston.com
Register Members List Member Map Media Calendar Garage Forum Home Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MotoHouston.com > General Discussion > General Discussion (Moto Related)
Forgot info?

Welcome to MotoHouston.com! You are currently viewing our forums as a guest which gives you limited access to the community. By joining our free community you will have access to great discounts from our sponsors, the ability to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content, free email, classifieds, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join our community!

Register Today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.


Like us on Facebook! Regular shirt GIVEAWAYS and more

Advertisement

Reply
Share This Thread: 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
Old 08-22-2011, 01:44 AM   #41
CombatM0NKEY
Call me TOOTs..
 
CombatM0NKEY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Houston
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,481

Experience: 4-8 months

Bike(s):
1995 Honda Shadow 600VLX

Honda Xr50


Member Garage





Send a message via AIM to CombatM0NKEY Send a message via MSN to CombatM0NKEY Send a message via Yahoo to CombatM0NKEY
Hello, I wear a Full Face. I have ridden down 59 without it. I think that was the scariest moment of my life. I think wearing a helmet increases the number of a noob has towards the chance of survival therefore justifying their decision to speed. I speed but I do scan A LOT. I see someone speeding 3-4 lanes over and I react. I slow down. 5 seconds later, that same vehicle speeding crashes to the vehicle 2 cars in front of me. Gear is only 50%. The other 50% is you paying attention and not acting like billy bad . my 2cents.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaoPee View Post
you need to tell trey, "stop asking asian riders for BP dummies"...
CombatM0NKEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Similar Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
No Need for a full face Helmet Neon Samurai General Discussion (Moto Related) 12 01-09-2013 11:34 AM
Why NOT to wear a full face helmet. jin General Discussion (Moto Related) 18 06-12-2012 10:39 PM
Cool helmets, only if they were full face Renzo Gear Talk 11 09-05-2011 04:34 PM
I got bored, and found cheap helmets - FREE FACE SHIELD!! Soclose Gear Talk 2 09-18-2010 02:03 PM
Full face fog Swift E General Discussion (Moto Related) 15 10-07-2005 09:07 AM
Advertisement
Old 08-22-2011, 11:56 AM   #42
AllanRJ
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 13












Quote:
Originally Posted by LCLF Brain View Post
. . I'm not denying full face helmets offer extra protection, but the reduced awareness I get from one is not to my liking. . .
Odd, on the two or so times I've ridden around the block without a helmet to warm up a chain before lubing it, I found the reduced vision from watering eyes and deafening sound from exhasts and car tire noise reduced my awareness a lot more than wearing my full face helmet and ear plugs.
AllanRJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 12:16 PM   #43
Deadfred
Drop Dead or Die Trying
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Houston
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 1,493

Experience: 9 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
Ducati EVO









Quote:
Originally Posted by redtalon3204 View Post
all i know is my helmet saved my life a couple weeks ago! head met curb and chunk came out of helmet... that would have been my head and i wouldn't be typing this right now. go shoei!
Talon?!?! you went down? where, when, how??? I liked that Diabolic Shoei you had too...
Deadfred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 12:19 PM   #44
Ares
Senior Member
 
Ares's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sweetland
Feedback Rating: (4)
Posts: 2,501

Experience: 1-3 months

Bike(s):
Z-rex ZRX1200r
Ninjette 250ex - SOLD :'|
Blondie ZX6R - SOLD :'|







this thread is win. Just 2 days and already 3 pages.
__________________
RIP Rocky Umali & blue 04 r6
Watch over us!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Helios View Post
I got the hint and dropped to the back of the ranks just in front of Ares, who btw rocks the outta that 250.
Ares is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 01:55 PM   #45
green600
HG Chairperson
 
green600's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: 77045
Feedback Rating: (3)
Posts: 20,191

Experience: 1-3 months
Trackdays: 1











http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7102...-harley-riders
green600 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 08:22 PM   #46
jin
Senior Member
 
jin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Richmond
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 185

Experience: 2 years

Bike(s):
2011 Kawasaki Ninja 1000









Quote:
Originally Posted by GREEN600 View Post
The weird computerized voices made that even funnier.
jin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 08:55 PM   #47
bumblebee
Yeah I'm flippin' YOU off
 
bumblebee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pearland
Feedback Rating: (3)
Posts: 12,269


Bike(s):
'74 Suzuki GT380
'82 XS650 StreetTracker
'10 Ducati Streetfighter
'83 Yamaha Seca 900






We (meaning full face people) tend to focus on the cruiser guys for not wearing gear but I saw an interesting comment in MCN a few months ago...

The columnist went to the Laconia bike rally and then a few days later went to the Honda Hoot (a touring bike thing), a couple of years ago. His observation was that although the cruiser guys were not wearing full gear they did at least wear fingerless gloves, leather jackets, chaps and heavy boots (typically).
The touring people in a surprising twist were even less prepared on average bcause they (typically) wore khaki shorts, loafers, no gloves, no jackets and either no helmets or half shell helmets.
In his view the worst dressed riders, by far, were the touring guys.

All that said, I think we can agree we are all big boys and as a group, know and accept the dangers of the sport. We should choose what we think is appropriate safety gear and let the other guy do the same.
To the gear side of the equation there are some statistics that show when people gear up whether on motorcycles or football or whatever, there is a psychological tendency to feel a little more invulnerable. To take more risk than they would otherwise.
Here is a little mind exercise about that. Imagine (or remember when) you were on a twisty road with full gear and how fast you were going. Now imagine that same ride with NO gear at all, riding naked...
would you still ride the same speed?
Of course not. The injuries from even a minor fall would be terrible. However the increased safety of full gear would be somewhat offset by the increase in speed.
Maybe it's not a good example but you get my point. Gear will only protect you from some, not all, of your shenanigans. lol
__________________
Asphalt is for racing... dirt is for growing potatoes. - J. Diester
When seconds count... the police are only minutes away.
Grow up and be a productive member of society already.
Bevo- "I lack skillz"
bumblebee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 10:36 PM   #48
mammothmc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 721












Whats funny is that the Harley guys always drag out that same safety study to show how ineffective helmets are.........nobody ever mentions that its from like 20+ years ago.
mammothmc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 11:14 PM   #49
CombatM0NKEY
Call me TOOTs..
 
CombatM0NKEY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Houston
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,481

Experience: 4-8 months

Bike(s):
1995 Honda Shadow 600VLX

Honda Xr50


Member Garage





Send a message via AIM to CombatM0NKEY Send a message via MSN to CombatM0NKEY Send a message via Yahoo to CombatM0NKEY
Quote:
Originally Posted by mammothmc View Post
Whats funny is that the Harley guys always drag out that same safety study to show how ineffective helmets are.........nobody ever mentions that its from like 20+ years ago.
so was the alamo. and slavery.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaoPee View Post
you need to tell trey, "stop asking asian riders for BP dummies"...
CombatM0NKEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 12:14 AM   #50
Jetkillr
Trackdays:7 Crashes:3
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: NW Houston
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 1,385

Experience: 3 years
Trackdays: 7

Bike(s):
2001 SV650S
2001 R6 SOLD



Member Garage





im ugly so i have to wear a full face lid...
__________________
i think this makes him look human. you always get people thinking they soooooo perfect, well your not. at least Obama was cool enough to be himself. thats why i look up to him, he's like an average black male but with intelligence. -Actual Quote from a Barack Obama supporter
Jetkillr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 12:38 AM   #51
da1hobo
Local Hobo
 
da1hobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: University of Houston
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 389

Experience: 1 year

Bike(s):
77 Honda CT125 - sold
1995 Vulcan 800A - sold
2011 KLR650E







When I was 15 and just started riding, I wore a helmet because I was required to. I wear one now because the giant crack on the back of my helmet after I went down going 30 in front of my house is permanently etched in my memory.

But I wear a FF helmet because I have seen a dragon fly crack my helmets shield. No way do I want that to hit my face.
da1hobo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 09:08 AM   #52
AngusTEx
Hang the up & DRIVE
 
AngusTEx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 297

Experience: 2 years

Bike(s):
Honduh









^+1

My last ride from Austin to Houston on 71, a cicada/grasshopper/mouse hit my shield almost dead center and splattered causing a slight whiplash.

That could've taken my eye out.
__________________
ATGATT
AngusTEx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 09:14 AM   #53
RACER X
what R you lookin' at?
 
RACER X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Richmond, Tx
Feedback Rating: (26)
Posts: 33,503

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 8

Bike(s):
'14 Honda GROM! 181cc of fury!!
'10 Aprilia Tuono Factory-SOLD
'08 Busa - sold
A few more bought
A few more sold






impacts

Chart showing percentage of damage to post-crash helmets studied

http://obairlann.net/reaper/motorcyc...r/helmets.html
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
2014 GROM
181cc's BABY!
Trump/Zimmerman 2016
Make America Great Again!
RACER X is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 10:16 AM   #54
urbanXJ
erect engorged member
 
urbanXJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Pearland
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 16,520

Experience: 9 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2008 Versys









Quote:
Originally Posted by cashtown View Post
I really like the cruiser hypocrisy regarding stuff like leather chaps. Dude'll wear thick leather chaps and vest and claim that it's for 'protection' as a means for justification. But then turn around and go without a helmet and claim that helmets either don't work or are actually in fact dangerous themselves.
Yea, chaps with out any protection for the

and gloves with the knuckles cut off

lids with no face protection

the magic bandana......

it's all still very funny to me
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gixxerbill View Post
"... I say the govt puts something in the water that sterilizes all women..."
urbanXJ is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 10:56 AM   #55
Lunchbox6
Senior Member
 
Lunchbox6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Galveston
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,692












Is the data on people wearing helmets taken solely from FF Helmets or are the halfs and other styles included? To me that would be a very good piece of information to know. I think the guys wearing halfs would drastically impact the percentages.

Yesterday on my way to work I decided to not wear my jacket, just helmet and gloves. This morning I realized my hipocrisy and put on my jacket. On my way to work I saw a guy on a bobber of some sort wearing shorts and sunglasses that was it.
__________________
By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. - Socrates
Lunchbox6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 01:28 PM   #56
LCLF Brain
Mamaaaa! Yeah, mama!
 
LCLF Brain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Santa Fe, TX
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,055

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
2014 stage 4 Street Glide
2011 Heritage Softail (sold)








Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanXJ View Post
Yea, chaps with out any protection for the

and gloves with the knuckles cut off

lids with no face protection

the magic bandana......

it's all still very funny to me
The reverse of that goes like this -
  • $800 full face helmet color matched to the bike, with nifty mohawk on top
  • Riding suit with protective slats color matched to the bike, complete with logo
  • Gloves color matched to the bike, also with logo
  • Boots color matched to the bike, also with logo
  • Rider with 6 months experience doing 120 MPH weaving in and out of traffic, and doing wheelies and stoppies.

That isn't really funny to me, because I've seen too many dead young people. All the gear in the world will not protect you from that amount of kinetic energy.

--

Let's examine... The formula for kinetic energy is thus:

Ek = (W*Ssquared) / 30

Ek = Kinetic energy
W = Weight
S = Speed

A rider and bike with a combined weight of 700 lbs going 60 MPH has 84,000 ft/lbs of energy.

That same 700 lb rider and bike going 120 MPH has 336,000 ft lbs of energy. That's quadruple the energy of the 60 MPH rider, not just double.

--

More food for thought...

The formula for distance to slide to a stop, is thus -

D = Ssquared / (30 * f)

D = distance
S = speed
f = coefficient of friction of the road surface. A standard dry road surface coefficient of friction is about .80.

A rider going 60 MPH on a standard road goes down, and will slide for 150 ft.
A rider going 120 MPH on a standard road goes down, and will slide for 600 ft.

--

By far, the most important thing you can do for your safety is ride slower and more carefully. We can talk up gear, and I will readily admit I take a higher risk from wearing a half helmet, but anyone who tries to lecture anyone on gear while riding at blistering speeds is not only being stupid in their riding, but is hypocritical with their safety message.
LCLF Brain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 01:34 PM   #57
LCLF Brain
Mamaaaa! Yeah, mama!
 
LCLF Brain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Santa Fe, TX
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,055

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
2014 stage 4 Street Glide
2011 Heritage Softail (sold)








Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanXJ View Post
the magic bandana......
Oh, and BTW, the bandanna actually means something to 3 patch motorcycle clubs. It's not just for magic tricks, it's a specific signal.
LCLF Brain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 01:36 PM   #58
Lunchbox6
Senior Member
 
Lunchbox6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Galveston
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,692












Quote:
Originally Posted by LCLF Brain View Post

Let's examine... The formula for kinetic energy is thus:

Ek = (W*Ssquared) / 30

Ek = Kinetic energy
W = Weight
S = Speed

I dont know who you are but you can take all that fancy math with your letters and whatnot and just GIT OUT!
__________________
By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. - Socrates
Lunchbox6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 01:37 PM   #59
kibitzer
Donkey punch 2 the soul
 
kibitzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Katy, TX
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 10,457

Experience: 1-3 months
Trackdays: 1

Bike(s):
2007 CBR600RR
02 XR100(tarded)
07 CRF50 (mini tard)







Speed limit signs coming to a track near you.
kibitzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 01:41 PM   #60
honorsdaddy
Professional Donor
 
honorsdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: My desk.
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 6,061

Experience: 9 years

Bike(s):
2012 BMW K1600GTL
2013 Triumph Trophy SE (sold)
2009 Harley-Davidson Road Glide(sold)
2007 Star V-Star 1300T (sold)
2007 Star V-Star 1100 (sold)






Send a message via Yahoo to honorsdaddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Challen View Post
I've had several come through class claiming they wear chaps for protection, but it's just like several other misconceptions out there, not worth the debate.

And her Instructor was wrong......it's pirates and power rangers.
Hey - i wear chaps for protection....from the cold

They're one more layer to throw on top of the riding pants.

To be fair though, they do provide some protection in a slide if you fall on your side - other than that, they're more a cold-weather thing than anything else.
__________________
Keeping the "fun" in "dysfunctional" since 1969.
honorsdaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Advertisement


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:56 PM.


MotoHouston.com is not responsible for the content posted by users.
Privacy Policy