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Old 10-26-2006, 10:10 AM   #1
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October 26, 2006 Muslim Cleric Blames Women for Rape By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
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SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- A senior Muslim cleric compared women who go without a head scarf to ''uncovered meat'' left out for scavengers, drawing widespread condemnation and calls Thursday for his resignation.

Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilali denied he was condoning rape when he made the comments in a sermon last month, and apologized to any women he had offended, saying they were free to dress as they wished.

Hilali was quoted in The Australian newspaper Thursday as saying in the sermon: ''If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's?''

''The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred,'' he was quoted as saying, referring to the headdress worn by some Muslim women.

Prime Minister John Howard called the remarks ''appalling and reprehensible.''

''The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous,'' Howard said.

The comments come during a heated debate in Britain about religious freedom centered around whether Muslim women should wear veils. Similar passions raged when France banned head scarves and other religious symbols in public schools two years ago.

In Australia, there was widespread condemnation Thursday of the cleric's comments from other Muslim leaders, civil libertarians and political leaders.

Australia's Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward said Hilali's comment was an incitement to rape and that Australia's Muslims should force him to resign.

''This is inciting young men to a violent crime because it is the woman's fault,'' Goward told television's Nine Network. ''It is time the Islamic community did more than say they were horrified. I think it is time he left.''

Hilali is the top cleric at Sydney's largest mosque, and is considered the most senior Islamic leader by many Muslims in Australia and New Zealand.

He has in the past served as an adviser to the Australian government on Muslim issues, but triggered a controversy in 2004 for saying in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept. 11 attacks were '''s work against the oppressors.'' Hilali said later he did not mean that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.

Relations between Australia's almost 300,000 Muslims and the majority Christian-heritage population are tense following riots last December that often pitted white gangs against youths of Middle Eastern decent.

Howard offended some Muslims recently by singling out some Muslims as extremists who should adopt Australia's Western liberal attitudes to women's rights.

Many Muslims say they are increasingly treated with suspicion since the Sept. 11 and other international terrorist attacks. Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said Hilali's comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.

''I am expecting a deluge of hate mail,'' he said. ''I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work.''

Hilali said in a statement he was shocked by Thursday's reaction to his sermon.

''The presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements, this does not condone rape, I condemn rape,'' he said.

''Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose, the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away,'' he said.

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I knew that Muslims were enslaving their own people, but this takes the cake.

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Yea, this kinda threw me off when I read it...but it is better than being PC. Atleast we know how much of an idiot he is...
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as a non-rapist i would say that this guy is really stupid to think that it's the womans fault. It's like saying it's the zebra's fault for not being faster than the tiger.

But i was thinking that for the men with less will power and more rage, women should probably try to dress more modest. Or some guys should wear a bright colored hat that signifies their sexual aggression, and then when women see it they can cover up real fast! haha

For the record, I love looking at girls in bikini's and tight sweaters.
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^^^ Meat layed out??? Are you ****in kidding me?!?! How could he even compare the two? MEN! jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjk!!!
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Women have no rights in Muslim societies. These people live in the dark ages. What else would anyone expect from them?
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I KNOW!!!! I was JOKIN!!!! But yes... i should have said that, but I cant in this thread because Sean would tell me Im steriotyping (sp)... HI SEAN!!! HOW YOU DOEN?!??!
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I KNOW!!!! I was JOKIN!!!! But yes... i should have said that, but I cant in this thread because Sean would tell me Im steriotyping (sp)... HI SEAN!!! HOW YOU DOEN?!??!
LMAO :laughing6 you kno it...yep, that's a stereotype. I've heard a number of American, African, and other men make statements like this one. Very tactful of you Crys... I'm good, how is you ?(Grammer intended)
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Im angry with you!! Thats what! jk
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^^^ YOU SON OF A AJ!!!
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Oh its on!! Wait till next time home boy.. You'll be crying to yo momma!!!
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Women have no rights in Muslim societies. These people live in the dark ages. What else would anyone expect from them?
What are you trying to say?
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Ohh... i dont know about all that, but i would assume he is saying that based on what he knows and the artical above.. He could have been sarcastic about it... But i dunno. i dont know him and I dont know how he thinks.
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yeah thats why I asked jason
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I tried to say something because he didnt, but sorry...

Note to self: Dont say anything to Koskesh anymore.
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shoot i didnt mean that in a rude way...chill out
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