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Old 10-25-2006, 10:10 PM   #1
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Exclamation Ethanol Info!!!!!

Just thought i would take a minute to pass on a little knowledge to all my MH family. Due to the fact that Methyl Tertiary-Butyl Ether (MTBE) has been found in groundwater tests in several states(it's benign in small quantities ), most gasoline refineries now use 10% Ethanol (E10) in their fuels. Although this is nothing new to most of you, some of the following info may be. . .
1. Ethanol is a solvent. In older vehicles, 10% ethanol is enough to damage rubber gaskets/hoses/seals/carb parts (FYI, most manufacturers have been using ethanol resistant materials for about ten years now) E10 can also loosen old gasoline deposits from your tank sending them through your fuel system, potentially clogging your fuel filters/injectors/etc. (Many of you with older trucks and cars will find this out all too soon)

2. Ethanol absorbs water. Ethanol absorbs A LOT of water out of the atmosphere and disperses it through your gasoline, eventually seperating the ethanol/water from gasoline and settling to the bottom of your fuel tank. Since most fuel pickups are at the bottom of the tank, this leads to water in your cylinders, whick can lead to blown piston rings etc. I highly recommend using fuel stabilizers in all of your boats/atv's/lawnmowers/etc as preventative maintenance.

3. Old gas with MTBE does not mix well with E10, leading to sludge buildup and fuel seperation in your fuel tank, whick can/will contribute to problems 1&2 from above^^^^. Pick a gas station you trust/use regularly and stick with it(if possible) Also, feel free to ask the clerks how/when the tanks were cleaned and prepared before the switch to E10. If they did not clean their tanks, you will pick up all of the sludge/water that settled in the tanks from the old MTBE gasoline. again contributing to problems 1&2^^^.

4. Ethanol produces less energy per gallon than gasoline(about 30%!!)
Your fuel efficiency will drop about 3% compared to MTBE gas, resulting in more trips to the petrol station, and more money spent on fuels. (Once again, chose your petrol stations wisely )

5. On a lighter note, E10 can raise octane ratings 3-5 points, and carries 5 times the amount of Oxygen that MTBE does, resulting in a cleaner burn and fewer emissions.

Cliffs Notes: Ethanol is bad, but it's not going away anytime soon:confused1
Stabilize your fuels in everything that you don't use on a daily basis, and keep an eye out for fuel system problems in older motorcycles/trucks/boats/lawnmowers/etc, or you will have problems before you know it. There is more to the subject than i posted above, but I'm tired of typing so we'll continue this discussion as questions are posted.
I hope this helps!!! JET

BTW If this is a repost, get over it!!!!!!
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I grilled some corn with pork ribs. You can squeeze'em and add it to your fuel and test it guinea pig style.:icon_bigg
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I grilled some corn with pork ribs. You can squeeze'em and add it to your fuel and test it guinea pig style.:icon_bigg
someone should try that out at the next trackday/BBQ...see what it does for lap times.
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man i had this problem. my bike keep shutting down on me on the freeway. but once i got all the gas out and pour new one in w/ some of those gas treatment thingy. it work fine. now
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grill some corn and squeeze it. . .LOL
I wish the issue was that funny. . .ethanol suxors for our fuel IMO.
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When you say old vehicles/lawnmovers/boats/etc. how old is old 1996 or 1960?
It depends on the situation, both 1996 and 1960 will feel the effects of E10.
I believe auto makers have been using E10 resistant materials since around 1996 and up, but I'm not totally sure about motorcycle manufacturers.:confused1 If you have a 1996 or a 1960, E10 gasoline will dissolve the sludge in the bottom of your fuel tank sending it through your fuel system.( I just serviced the fuel filter on my 1997 F150 and it looked like vomit!!!!) Some more food for thought. . .Although auto manufacturers have been using E10 resistant materials for a while, there are talks of raising the Ethanol level above 10%:confused2 Most of these materials are only designed for UP TO 10%, and another increase in ethanol levels(anything above 10%) will cause the same negative effects on all new vehicles as well. It's only a matter of time before the increase above 10%. . .get ready.
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We have noticed in the marine field, that E10 is eating away at the polymer tanks and causing leaks!!!!!
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We have noticed in the marine field, that E10 is eating away at the polymer tanks and causing leaks!!!!!
yes sir it will also eat up the old fiberglass/resin tanks in boats and PWC's, and many old (70's-90's) plastic offroad vehicle tanks!!!
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BTW, i learned a majority of this info by reading Consumer Reports and Boating magazine. . .
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just thought i would bump this back up to the top for you MH noobs and those who missed it the first time around. Reading Long's seadoo problem thread leads me to believe the info did not reach enough of you the first time around, so here we go again. If you guys/gals have any questions or comments(that are on topic) feel free to post up.
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just thought i would bump this back up to the top for you MH noobs and those who missed it the first time around. Reading Long's seadoo problem thread leads me to believe the info did not reach enough of you the first time around, so here we go again. If you guys/gals have any questions or comments(that are on topic) feel free to post up.
Thanks for bumping this back up! and great info!
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I must have missed this the first time, but there are some things not completely accurate with your post.
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maybe a side note but i was surprised at this old 1990 honda i bought. when reading the manual it mentioned that up to 10% ethanol can be ran. I was like tha'ts cool that even way back then honda anticipated the future.
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My wife works in the petrolium industry. At present she works in lubricants (Pennzoil), but for 10 years previous, she work in the retail and wholesale gas market for both Texaco and Shell. The thing that always bothered her, was that all of these additatives to make your engine burn cleaner had a negative impact to your MPG ... so, while you may be putting out less pollutants per gallon, you would also be buring more gas, because of the impact to your millage. There never has been a real study to find the bottom line ... and so ... you end up with gas that's more expensive, less efficient, and possibly damaging to both your vehicle and the environment(indirectly) .... all so that politicals and stand up and tell the voters that they did something to improve air quality.
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i regurgitated the info from some sources i read, if i misinformed on anything, please let us all know so we can all be better informed. Thanks Clyde
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