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Old 10-24-2006, 07:22 PM   #1
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LSD suggested as cure for alcoholism

Im sure this study never got far, because we all know, in the 60s "you never had a problem, it was OK to beat your wife"
But now that its a flipping "dieses" they will try anything.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...lth&id=4666811


LSD suggested as cure for alcoholism
(10/16/06) -

Imagine this.

You are hooked on alcohol and you want help getting off the booze.

You go to your doctor, and he or she says, "Drop some acid."

That's right. LSD, the infamous drug of choice for many hippies in the 1960s and '70s.

Lysergic acid diethylamide, the drug that caused hallucinations or "tripping," was, of course, outlawed, giving it immeasurable street cred in its time, before fading away as flower-painted bodies grew into gray-flannel suits.

So, in the 21st century, why would a respected medical doctor even consider prescribing LSD as a wonder drug to help cure alcoholism?

And will it actually happen?

The answer, like an LSD trip, is elusive, but some in the scientific and medical community are beginning to discuss the possible merits of acid for this generation.

Erika Dyck, an assistant professor at the University of Alberta, Canada, researches and teaches the history of medicine.

She raised the issue after studying a series of LSD tests of alcohol-addicted patients carried out in the 1960s in Saskatchewan. The tests were done by British psychiatrists Humphrey Osmond and John Smythies.

She tells ABC News that two-thirds of the alcoholics stopped drinking for at least 18 months after receiving one dose of LSD, compared to 25 percent who stopped after group therapy, and 12 percent after individual therapy.

According to Dyck, even Alcoholics Anonymous endorses the LSD research.

Alcoholics Anonymous "felt that one of the major obstacles to joining Alcoholics Anonymous was 'Step 2, admitting that there is a higher power.'"

Even the co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous, Dyck said, "felt that LSD was the first intervention that helped many people to reach this step."

According to Rick W in the organization's New York office, one of the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous "was supportive in a lot of ways in all kinds of research, so he might very well have written something in support. He also experimented with LSD himself."

Dyck told the Independent newspaper of London, "The LSD somehow gave these people experiences that psychologically took them outside of themselves and allowed them to see their own unhealthy [behavior] more objectively, and then determine to change it."

But those Canadian-based experiments in the '60s were widely criticized by others as either unwise or unreliable.

Amid the growing alarm over LSD abuse by large numbers of young people, the drug, and any potential good use, was locked outside of the establishment.

Now, some scientists around the world are planning to experiment once again with the effects of LSD on psychiatric disorders, possibly even revisiting the question of whether acid can help alcoholics.


"There's a lot of renewed interest in psychedelics in general," Robin Carhart-Harris, a researcher on LSD and psychotherapy at the University of Bristol, in England, said to ABC News.

The Royal College of Psychiatrists in Britain has been discussing the possibility, and Carhart-Harris tells ABC News that Swiss doctors are planning look into LSD for psychotherapy.

"I certainly think it's an interesting subject scientifically," he said. "I think I've heard the analogy of a knife before -- you can use it for positive means, and for negative means."

Ironically, if LSD had stayed in the controlled environment of research labs in the '60s -- and never hit the streets and mixed into the social cauldron that was swirling out of control in places like San Francisco -- the drug might have evolved as a responsible medical treatment for alcoholism and psychiatric illnesses.

It is an intriguing medical issue that scientists can resume work on only if and when governments are ready to view acid as a potential solution, not just an old problem.
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http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...lth&id=4666811

LSD suggested as cure for alcoholism
(10/16/06) -

Imagine this.

You are hooked on alcohol and you want help getting off the booze.

You go to your doctor, and he or she says, "Drop some acid."

That's right. LSD, the infamous drug of choice for many hippies in the 1960s and '70s.

Lysergic acid diethylamide, the drug that caused hallucinations or "tripping," was, of course, outlawed, giving it immeasurable street cred in its time, before fading away as flower-painted bodies grew into gray-flannel suits.

So, in the 21st century, why would a respected medical doctor even consider prescribing LSD as a wonder drug to help cure alcoholism?

And will it actually happen?

The answer, like an LSD trip, is elusive, but some in the scientific and medical community are beginning to discuss the possible merits of acid for this generation.

Erika Dyck, an assistant professor at the University of Alberta, Canada, researches and teaches the history of medicine.

She raised the issue after studying a series of LSD tests of alcohol-addicted patients carried out in the 1960s in Saskatchewan. The tests were done by British psychiatrists Humphrey Osmond and John Smythies.

She tells ABC News that two-thirds of the alcoholics stopped drinking for at least 18 months after receiving one dose of LSD, compared to 25 percent who stopped after group therapy, and 12 percent after individual therapy.

According to Dyck, even Alcoholics Anonymous endorses the LSD research.

Alcoholics Anonymous "felt that one of the major obstacles to joining Alcoholics Anonymous was 'Step 2, admitting that there is a higher power.'"

Even the co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous, Dyck said, "felt that LSD was the first intervention that helped many people to reach this step."

According to Rick W in the organization's New York office, one of the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous "was supportive in a lot of ways in all kinds of research, so he might very well have written something in support. He also experimented with LSD himself."

Dyck told the Independent newspaper of London, "The LSD somehow gave these people experiences that psychologically took them outside of themselves and allowed them to see their own unhealthy [behavior] more objectively, and then determine to change it."

But those Canadian-based experiments in the '60s were widely criticized by others as either unwise or unreliable.

Amid the growing alarm over LSD abuse by large numbers of young people, the drug, and any potential good use, was locked outside of the establishment.

Now, some scientists around the world are planning to experiment once again with the effects of LSD on psychiatric disorders, possibly even revisiting the question of whether acid can help alcoholics.


"There's a lot of renewed interest in psychedelics in general," Robin Carhart-Harris, a researcher on LSD and psychotherapy at the University of Bristol, in England, said to ABC News.

The Royal College of Psychiatrists in Britain has been discussing the possibility, and Carhart-Harris tells ABC News that Swiss doctors are planning look into LSD for psychotherapy.

"I certainly think it's an interesting subject scientifically," he said. "I think I've heard the analogy of a knife before -- you can use it for positive means, and for negative means."

Ironically, if LSD had stayed in the controlled environment of research labs in the '60s -- and never hit the streets and mixed into the social cauldron that was swirling out of control in places like San Francisco -- the drug might have evolved as a responsible medical treatment for alcoholism and psychiatric illnesses.

It is an intriguing medical issue that scientists can resume work on only if and when governments are ready to view acid as a potential solution, not just an old problem.
So, she is gonna be Dr. Dyck?
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:31 PM   #5
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Ok its time for my stupid question of the day.

ive heard this word "flashback" used before, and ive tried to read about it...I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE A FLASHBACK IS. can you please tell me?
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best way to describe that i can think of is having drug related hallucinations without actually taking the drug that time.flashback to when you took the drug... when you least expect it.. i think that is the one he would be talking about, but not 100% sure
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i get flashbacks of my shrooming days when i listen to sublime... feels like im tripping for a second or two haha
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ok...i thought thats what it was..but some morons ive talked to are like "its when like...you crack your back, and some of the LSD is released and your tripping again"

I was like, WTF?!!! your a hampster storing for the winter?????
ok, I understand what a flashback is, heh.
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ummm have never heard that one before lol storing it huh ? they do know it does leave your system right???
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Better call a TV repair man.

So do yall think we should allow this? do you think it really works?
are there any negatives to using LSD?
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Despite many rumors to the contrary, LSD is not stored in the spinal fluid
for months, nor does it remain in any organ,. It is eliminated just like
other drugs, but more slowly. LSD flashbacks do not occur because hidden drug
in the body suddenly reappears. Because the liver degrades LSD slowly, the
drug stays in the body for hours, often 12 or more for a single dose. "

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Saw this a while back.. LSD has shown promise in treating a number of psychological disorders..

As far as leaving your system they are counting on a clinically induced, hallucigenic experience to 'cure' you (or scare you straight really, although during the experience you may not be 'scared' per se)

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The wikipedia entry for flashbacks..

A flashback is a psychological phenomenon in which someone remembers a past experience. The term is usually used only when the memory is recalled involuntarily, and/or when it is so intense that the person "relives" the experience (especially if a memory is mainly stored in the procedural memory), unable to fully recognize it as being a memory.
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As far as effects go.. i borrowed this from www.erowid.org - THE drug reference you can believe in..

POSITIVE
increase in energy (stimulation)
increase in associative & creative thinking
mood lift
increased awareness & appreciation of music
increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
closed and open eye visuals
profound life-changing spiritual experiences

NEUTRAL
general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
pupil dilation
difficulty focusing
increased salivation and mucus production (causes coughing in some people)
unusual body sensations (facial flushing, chills, goosebumps, body energy)
unusual thoughts and speech
change in perception of time
quickly changing emotions (happiness, fear, gidiness, anxiety, anger, joy, irritation)
slight increase in body temperature
slight increase in heart rate

NEGATIVE
anxiety
tension, jaw tension
increased perspiration
nausea
dizziness, confusion
megalomania
over-awareness & over-sensitization to music and noise
paranoia, fear, and panic
unwanted and overwhelming feelings
unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences
flashbacks


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml - for everything about LSD
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i think most people would rather remain ignorant about drugs, as well as many other things, since it doesn't affect them(so they think)
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I love to learn about anything. I hate making false opinion statements like "george bush hates black people".

The more you know, the more you grow.

So basically there are NO perminant physical breakdowns with LSD, from long term use, as there are with such drugs like cocaine?
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I love to learn about anything. I hate making false opinion statements like "george bush hates black people".

The more you know, the more you grow.

So basically there are NO perminant physical breakdowns with LSD, from long term use, as there are with such drugs like cocaine?

man, I know some folks who are perma-fried. But these guys tripped alot.
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Well whats the name of that dude who tried to create a religion out of LSD in the 60s? didint he drop like, every single day, and it took quite a bit of years (more then 20) to affect him, I mean, REALLY affect him
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Well whats the name of that dude who tried to create a religion out of LSD in the 60s? didint he drop like, every single day, and it took quite a bit of years (more then 20) to affect him, I mean, REALLY affect him
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