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Old 07-30-2011, 11:59 PM   #1
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these tire available locally?

was looking at tires on this site.

http://viets-performance.com/Home/Br...DOT-Race-Tires

bt003 pro seems cheap also. can anyone even get the r10 locally?

also, what exactly does DOT mean? DOT tires need warmers?
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:14 AM   #2
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maybe john at scrc can get them. he is a site sponsor
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maybe john at scrc can get them. he is a site sponsor

+1 Got my r10s from John.
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are these tires good for street? i have bt016s and theyre super sticky. i like that. wondering how much better is this tire
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You can use them but the tires don't last that long
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are these tires good for street? i have bt016s and theyre super sticky. i like that. wondering how much better is this tire
If u think the 16's are sticky u have no idea. Race tires are another world. Not sure about the 10's but the ones I run are awesome. Cheap from Cali too. Way cheaper than anyone here can touch.
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Track-junkie also sells those tires give him a try im talking about the R10 new bridgestone race tire
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was looking at tires on this site.

http://viets-performance.com/Home/Br...DOT-Race-Tires

bt003 pro seems cheap also. can anyone even get the r10 locally?

also, what exactly does DOT mean? DOT tires need warmers?
DoT means they are street legal.

The R10, if I'm not mistaken, are bridgestones newest race tire. To maximize any race tires life, you should limit heat cycles by using tire warmers.

For bridgestone race tires, I'd get with John at SCRC like others mentioned.
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Thanks for the info. I'm really just looking to get the stickiest street legal tire without needing warmers. I've been told street tires aren't really affected by heat cycles so warmers aren't necessary with them.

My next question, whats the stickiest tire available that doesn't need warmers? I'm using the bt003 race/street which I love. Is the bt003 pro that much better? Do they require warmers?
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The 003 pro and the R10 are both race tires that would not be particularly good to use on the street. The R10 is the replacement for the 003 Pro. John at SCRC can provide more info. For the street you are better off with a street tire because they are designed to work at lower operating temperatures.
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The 003 pro and the R10 are both race tires that would not be particularly good to use on the street. The R10 is the replacement for the 003 Pro. John at SCRC can provide more info. For the street you are better off with a street tire because they are designed to work at lower operating temperatures.
I only do @ 100-200 miles street between trackdays and even then its just crusing, I don't ride like and idiot on the street anymore . Didn't know if the r10 and 003pro require warmers. I was under the impression that there are mainly two categories, tires that need warmers(race tires/heat cycles an issue) and tires that dont(street oriented). Maybe I'm wrong.
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The 003 pro and the R10 are both race tires that would not be particularly good to use on the street. The R10 is the replacement for the 003 Pro. John at SCRC can provide more info. For the street you are better off with a street tire because they are designed to work at lower operating temperatures.
Almost exactly what I was going to respond with. Running a "race" or "track day" tire on the street isn't really the best option. Tires optimally designed for track use are designed for the higher speeds, temperatures and conditions.

If we would all be honest with each other, even a BT016 is more than enough tire for street use by most of us mortals. I ran some BT45's on an Yamaha FZR600 I had at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and was able to run some low 2:1X range times on it (with a lap timer, not a guess). Yes, I know that isn't fast at TWS (Texas World Speedway) versus newer 600 race times, but for a 20 year old design bike on BT45's, the point is they handled fine under track conditions at a pace exceeding what I would run on the street.

For street use, almost any newer design tire will give you the "stickiness" you will be using on the street. They will work well within the operating temperature you will experience.

I think Road Racing World had an article recently discussing the aspects of tire design balancing silica and another component I don't recall off hand. I left my magazine on the plane and don't have it to reference now. It was about a female designer for Pirelli I think. Good article.
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A more race oriented tire like the 003 pro or R10 has a rubber compound that is designed to perform optimally at a higher temperature than a street tire. You can use warmers to get the tire up to temp at the track so that it is ready to go when you go out rather than having to do slower laps to get heat into the tire before it reaches operating temp. Also, the rubber compounds on a race oriented tire will usually degrade faster with more heat cycles so using warmers to keep them at operating temp during a track day will lower the number of heat cycles and make the rubber last longer than it would if it heats and cools repeatedly between sessions without warmers.

I don't know what the low end threshold is for temperature that causes the rubber to begin degrading but it is possible that a slow street pace may not reach the temperature point where heat cycling becomes an issue.
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A more race oriented tire like the 003 pro or R10 has a rubber compound that is designed to perform optimally at a higher temperature than a street tire. You can use warmers to get the tire up to temp at the track so that it is ready to go when you go out rather than having to do slower laps to get heat into the tire before it reaches operating temp. Also, the rubber compounds on a race oriented tire will usually degrade faster with more heat cycles so using warmers to keep them at operating temp during a track day will lower the number of heat cycles and make the rubber last longer than it would if it heats and cools repeatedly between sessions without warmers.

I don't know what the low end threshold is for temperature that causes the rubber to begin degrading but it is possible that a slow street pace may not reach the temperature point where heat cycling becomes an issue.
Basically what I wanted to know thanks. Sounds like the 003 Ride Smart is about as good as I'm going to find without moving to a tire requiring warmers to keep them in good condition.
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Basically what I wanted to know thanks. Sounds like the 003 Ride Smart is about as good as I'm going to find without moving to a tire requiring warmers to keep them in good condition.
Riding such a tire on the street is a waste of a good tire IMO. Even if only a little. These comments are not directed at you but to anyone running such tyres on the street, unless they are just take off to get you by.

IMO: You investing in a second set of wheels (200 bucks at most) and throwing on some good take offs would be optimal. You will and up getting more out of your tires and therefore $.
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*I* would not use them on the street. My bike is track only.
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i agree with arturo. I'd be looking at some Supercorsa Pro's, since I am a fan of pirelli street tires.
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