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Old 07-24-2011, 08:52 PM   #21
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Are they using Rotella T, Rotella T1, Rotella T3, Rotella T5 or Rotella T6? Are they using the SAE 30, SAE 40, SAE 50, 10w30, 5w40, 10w40, 15w40, or 20w50? Conventional, Synthetic Blend, or full petroleum synthetic? Are they using the API CH4, CI4, or the CJ4? The formulas for each of these change every year. Are they using the 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, or 2011 version? Or is it the Rotella on the shelf today? The Rotella on the shelf tomorrow could be different. None of it has been formulated for, tested in, recommended or warranted for motorcycles.

Why use a diesel truck engine oil when so many motorcycle specific engine/transmission oils are available?
Rotella T conventional, 15W40 is the most commonly used and the cheapest, about $13 a gallon at Walmart. Great trans oil for 2 stroke dirt bikes also. JASO certified so it has been tested and recommended for motorcycles with wet clutches.

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I use Rotella T after researching and find it works great in my bike.

Here are some good resources on oil and filters for those interested (some of the info on filters is surprising):

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterStudy.html
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Obsolete info. The oil and filters he mentions haven't been available for years. And it was based on his unprofessional opinion, no test data.

Which of the 18 Rotella T are you using? The previous 2 Rotella users are using different ones, one has been unavailable for quite some time.
Perhaps I'm obsolete. I only have about 36 years riding experience.

OK. So you've told everybody else that they are wrong but you haven't actually ventured anything in the way of a recommendation yourself.

Are you going to contribute or just on other people?
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Yep... this thread still has a healthy 10 pages of the same we've seen for years coming.
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As a retired Shell Oil chemist with over 36 years riding experience and nearly a million motorcycle miles in a dozen countries, I recommend...
Finally a knowledgeable mature rider with experience in chemistry to decipher the lab results from used oil and provide his $0.02

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... using a top tested/rated motorcycle specific oil and filters
Oh , here it comes THE recommendation. The recommended oil from the old, well traveled, wise guy is:

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...available at the Motohouston sponsors who financially help support this forum, based on their motorcycle mechanical experience.
WTF, you start stating your travel in 12 countries, your 36!!! years of riding 1,000,000 miles and you have no recommendation other than what the 25 year old mechanics have in stock? Is this a joke?!?!
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Got it, which one do you use for your BMW?
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Got it, which one do you use for your BMW?
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USA, JASO MA2, full chemical synthetic, AMSOIL 10w40 MCF motorcycle oil, last change of 15,000 miles and verified the oil and engine are fine with used oil analysis. Available at site sponsors Motorcycles Unlimited and Stubbs Telephone Road.


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Obsolete info. The oil and filters he mentions haven't been available for years. And it was based on his unprofessional opinion, no test data.
just an FYI, from that filter list ( http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterStudy.html ) The WIX/Napa, K&N, Fram, are all still available. I pick the Wix up from oreilly's. and You can get the Fram from Walmart. I think the Hi-flo is still around as well...

The Wix is on my bike right now...
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i've been getting my oil and filter from the Hardley stealership. that son of a is prone to break down at any moment and figure if i give it the "name brand" garbage it'll behave. then i get to hear the in the shop brag about how their pos bikes are superior blah blah blah... just gimme my stuff so i can roll.
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The previous poster said Rotella T synthetic. It is not JASO certified, only that Shell says it meets JASO MA. And that only means it meets a wet clutch friction test, not that it has been tested and recommended for motorcycles with wet clutches.

API.com lists 18 different Rotella T oils. The Rotella.com website does not mention motorcycles, nor gasoline engines, and only warrants 10 heavy duty diesel parts.

Diesel oils have changed recently due to EPA diesel emission requirements, diesel engine designs, exhaust recycling back into combustion chamber, diesel fuel changes, particulate filter changes, etc. None which has anything to do with motorcycles. Completely different formulation from their Shell motorcycle oils.
I called the Shell Tech phone line a few minutes ago and Rotella T triple threat had API SM and JASO MA ratings which will work fine for engines with wet clutches. He also told me to watch out for internet Shell Chemists when getting oil advice on the internet. I laughed my off!

This is direct form the API website.

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If an automotive owner's manual calls for an API SJ or SL oil, an API SM oil will provide full protection.
Here is the number I called.
TECHNICAL INFORMATION & QUESTIONS:
Shell-Branded Products:
1-800-237-8645, Option 4, then Option 1;
shelltechnical-us@shell.com;
Available Monday - Thursday 7 a.m. 5 p.m., Friday 8 a.m. 4 p.m. CT

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Rotella T triple threat? What is that? Not on the list of 18 current Rotella products I've found. Did you ask them if they warranty it for use in motorcycle engines and transmissions?

True for most modern automotive engines, but not for classic cars with flat tappet cams. It says nothing about motorcycle engines and transmissions.
I meant Rotella Triple Protection.....
http://www.shell.com/home/content/ro...ducts/tpl_pro/


I emailed them too.....if this doesn't convince you that Rotella is a safe alternative to "motorcycle" oil then I don't what else to tell you. You have the number and e-mail you can debate with the guy that answered the phone. I'm not trying to convert anyone to using Rotella, simply repeating what Shell told me.

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Shell Rotella T 15w-40 and Rotella T6 5w-40 Synthetic both meet JASO
MA and DH2 specifications for use in motorcycle wet clutches and make
excellent motorcycle oils.

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