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Old 07-22-2011, 04:52 PM   #1
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Exclamation I really need to get this straight

I know how to ride I bike, since 2004 I have an Italian Motorcycle license.

I have a US Car Driving License and, of course, I want to take a US M License.

I have been told that I need to take the MSF course but some say it is mandatory, like I've been told today at the DPS office and others, i.e. the official website ( http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverL...cleLicense.htm ) state that:

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Present a completion certificate of the Motorcycle Safety Course (MSB-8 or MSB-8R), approved by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. This completion certificate waives the driving test if you are 18 years of age or older.


From above I understand that the certificate waives the driving test, so I assume that if I don't take it I will be able to take it at the DPS office.

Is that correct? Please help me, there's a big mess about this.

Now I do not want to take a MSF course, not because I think I am superior (actually...) but just because I do not have time due to work / business travels.

Does anybody have an alternative?

Or connections...?
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Old 07-22-2011, 04:56 PM   #2
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Plus: is there ANY way to have this freaking MSF certificate without actually taking the 2 days course?

Can't I take the test right away?
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:53 PM   #3
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You used to be able to just take the riding test at the DPS, but relatively recently I believe that they eliminated that option... only way now to get a class M is to take the MSF.


If I am wrong, i'm sure someone will correct me.. lol
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Old 07-22-2011, 06:20 PM   #4
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You used to be able to just take the riding test at the DPS, but relatively recently I believe that they eliminated that option... only way now to get a class M is to take the MSF.


If I am wrong, i'm sure someone will correct me.. lol
Correct. You have to take the course. And to the op, take the dam 2 day class and don't try to get fake certificate. If you get caught, you will either get a hellacious fine or jail time.
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:50 PM   #5
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As of Sept. 1, 2009 you MUST take a BRC to get a motorcycle license. No way around it.

GL finding a fake certificate or someone that will just hand it over. They're numbered, databased with DPS, have to be kept under lock and key and accounted for individually.

Personally, I wouldn't just "give" one to my own flesh and blood, definitely not worth the penalties (loss of contract, teaching certification, etc.).
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Just a thought? Does being the holder of an Italian motorcycle license give you any loophole around the MSFc? I'd check with DPS and see if they would recognize it and waive the MSFC. requirements.
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Just a thought? Does being the holder of an Italian motorcycle license give you any loophole around the MSFc? I'd check with DPS and see if they would recognize it and waive the MSFC. requirements.
Good idea. Texas only recognizes about 4 countries for the M license and I'm pretty sure Italy isn't one of them, but it never hurt to check.
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But hey if none of that stuff works the go to AWESOMECYLCES for your MSF class!!!
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But hey if none of that stuff works the go to AWESOMECYLCES for your MSF class!!!
That is for sure, i called yesterday. very nice people and willing to help.

About Texas and the 4 countries that they recognize, this is stupid: if they recognize Germany why not italy, france and other EU countries??bureaucracy, don't you love it??
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About Texas and the 4 countries that they recognize, this is stupid: if they recognize Germany why not italy, france and other EU countries??bureaucracy, don't you love it??[/QUOTE]

somebody, somewhere either don't like Italian food, got fuctover by an Italian or just don't like Rossi!
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That is for sure, i called yesterday. very nice people and willing to help.

About Texas and the 4 countries that they recognize, this is stupid: if they recognize Germany why not italy, france and other EU countries??bureaucracy, don't you love it??
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Take the MSF course, and chill out, you will probably learn something. Being legal is good! The Awesome Cycles group are a fantastically fun bunch. In the least you will laugh a bit at their lame jokes. I took their course last March, best move I ever made, scored my TX M endorsement, and four months later still think about the lessons, videos, comments, questions, answers and exercises. The emergency braking and swerving has already saved my , several times. I wonder if I will ever be able to do a box though? Very slow is difficult for me, but I am getting better. Just do it.
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About Texas and the 4 countries that they recognize, this is stupid: if they recognize Germany why not italy, france and other EU countries??bureaucracy, don't you love it??

somebody, somewhere either don't like Italian food, got fuctover by an Italian or just don't like Rossi!
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For purposes of license transfer, replacing, swapping for license originally issued in your home country, you must submit a license issued in one of the approved countries. If you are here on something other than a tourist visa and plan on staying longer than 30 days, you need to obtain a Texas operator's license. If your license was not issued in one of the list of 4 approved countries, you need to go through the full licensing process, meaning taking classes (if required) and appropriate tests.

If you're here as a tourist and do not intend to become a resident, you can operate a motor vehicle for which you are properly licensed in your home country, as long as home country signed the 1949 Geneva convention on road traffic. This is good for up to a year within the U.S. If you become a resident in any way, shape, form (on a work visa, student visa, etc.) see first paragraph.

Note the list of countries signing the 1949 Geneva convention is not the same list as the Texas "approved list." There are two different lists for two different classes of folks - Texas approved list is for those intending to become lawful residents, even if residency is not permanent. Geneva Convention list is primarily for tourists.

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Lol, Italy should be recognized through reciprocation. I've seen more girls there riding bikes better than guys here. Two wheels are like second nature to Italians.
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I can vouch for Awesome Cycles.

Best money I've ever spent on training; driving or otherwise.

I got my certificate last April, and my license shortly after. Since then, I have not driven a motorcycle until last Saturday 8/13 at a Ticket 2 Ride event.

I didn't look too bad but without a doubt, it would have ended a lot worse without the lessons I learned at Awesome Cycles.

The value you get for the cost is immeasurable.

Pass your written and or road test and you get a Gremlin Bell!

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And another one for Awesome Cycles. Fun group and great instructions!

They teach you, they WANT you to ride well, and they really make it an enjoyable experience. I took the 2-3 day weekend course so I didn't miss work. Worked out great and got my license a couple days after.
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do you need the M endorsement to do a trackday?
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