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Old 10-18-2006, 09:56 PM   #1
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Repsol Honda vs. Camel Yamaha

I was thinking about this and wanted to see what everyone thinks. With all corporate BS and current rider abilities aside, and speaking from a mechanical viewpoint only, who makes a better racebike, Yamaha or Honda? Why?

Perhaps, if you are torn between different parts of the bikes, what combination of the two would create an even higher quality racebike?

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Old 10-18-2006, 09:59 PM   #2
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I think it's pretty well known that Honda has and has had the best MotoGP bikes for years. It's only with the gawd-like talent of Rossi and the expertise of Burgess that has allowed Yamaha to be back on top in MotoGP since.. ? 1992?
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:07 PM   #3
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honda has more money to pump into r/d as that is a factor as well.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:26 PM   #4
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:28 PM   #5
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The WCM/Blata bikes were the bomb-jet!

just kidding.
They did sound the coolest though.

Where they heck did they go?! They were supposed to come back with their V-6.
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Honda has the best bike / Yamaha has the best rider.
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hmmm

well im a honda guy love them but from a pure bike stand point wow the 1000rr is a beast but so is the R1 i dont know how the yah motor is set up but the honda has the 5 cylender which is just crazy shorter throw faster and higher rpms its the F1 motor of the bike world and as far as the riders go hayden is no slacker hasnt been on the circuit as long as rossi give him little more time and he will surpass rossi as long as dani will stay the outa the way fugin idiot
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remember rossi's world championship's before yammy. and where yammy was before rossi.
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well im a honda guy love them but from a pure bike stand point wow the 1000rr is a beast but so is the R1 i dont know how the yah motor is set up but the honda has the 5 cylender which is just crazy shorter throw faster and higher rpms its the F1 motor of the bike world and as far as the riders go hayden is no slacker hasnt been on the circuit as long as rossi give him little more time and he will surpass rossi as long as dani will stay the outa the way fugin idiot
just my .02
hayden will never win all those championships I can tell you that. actually if hayden were like rossi he would have already won a championship in his second year it's now his third and rossi will win again. by the way. you don't know how the yam motor is set up?? I"m usre you don't know how the honda is set up either because noone really knows. we do know the yamaha is a big bang inline four. and the honda is a v5 and the odd number cylinder is a counterbalance for the motor otherwise it would be a v4 motor. by the way we're talking motogp a 1000rr or a r1 has NOTHING to do with them no matter what their advertising might suggest.
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Old 10-19-2006, 01:30 PM   #12
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i know most of what u said 1000rr and r1 arent moto gp just useing that as a referance to the bikes and honda has a INLINE 5 CYLENDER MOTOR LOOK IT UP i am new to this but did a little research and honda runs 5 INLINE CYLENDERS smaller cylender shorter stroke

remember rossi's world championship's before yammy. and where yammy was before rossi.
interesting thought i like it yams BIG BANGIN INLINE 4 is only big bangin cause of rossi and i have no doubt i how great rossi is but hayden will be great too trust me
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i thought the m1 was a v4?
i know the rc211v is a v5.. honda will never mass produce the v5 :(
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i know most of what u said 1000rr and r1 arent moto gp just useing that as a referance to the bikes and honda has a INLINE 5 CYLENDER MOTOR LOOK IT UP i am new to this but did a little research and honda runs 5 INLINE CYLENDERS smaller cylender shorter stroke

interesting thought i like it yams BIG BANGIN INLINE 4 is only big bangin cause of rossi and i have no doubt i how great rossi is but hayden will be great too trust me



Not sure where you did your research, but Honda is using a V5, not and inline 5.


Big bang refers to the cylinder firing order. In particular they try to get 2 cyclinders to fire at the same time and each pair firing as close together as possible. The idea being that if you can get all four cylinders fired within 70 - 90 degrees then you have the rest of the revolution as 'resting' not putting power to the tire. Gives better drive out of the corners. If I remember Honda started using it on the 500 in 1992 or 1993 and was just walking away from everybody. The engine sounded so different from all the screamers and nobody was quite sure what they were doing. They stood on the side of the track and recorded the sound of the engined and slowed down the playback to figure it out. Next thing you know all the other manufactures had a big bang engine too.

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i thought the m1 was a v4?
i know the rc211v is a v5.. honda will never mass produce the v5 :(


Kawasaki and Yamaha are using Inline 4's
Suzuki = V4
Honda = V5
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Not sure where you did your research, but Honda is using a V5, not and inline 5.


Big bang refers to the cylinder firing order. In particular they try to get 2 cyclinders to fire at the same time and each pair firing as close together as possible. The idea being that if you can get all four cylinders fired within 70 - 90 degrees then you have the rest of the revolution as 'resting' not putting power to the tire. Gives better drive out of the corners. If I remember Honda started using it on the 500 in 1992 or 1993 and was just walking away from everybody. The engine sounded so different from all the screamers and nobody was quite sure what they were doing. They stood on the side of the track and recorded the sound of the engined and slowed down the playback to figure it out. Next thing you know all the other manufactures had a big bang engine too.

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im going with HONDA also, but wont repeat what all the reasons above state. But basically Honda has more money and more experince in the bikes then yamahas.
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i know most of what u said 1000rr and r1 arent moto gp just useing that as a referance to the bikes and honda has a INLINE 5 CYLENDER MOTOR LOOK IT UP i am new to this but did a little research and honda runs 5 INLINE CYLENDERS smaller cylender shorter stroke

remember rossi's world championship's before yammy. and where yammy was before rossi.
interesting thought i like it yams BIG BANGIN INLINE 4 is only big bangin cause of rossi and i have no doubt i how great rossi is but hayden will be great too trust me
Look it up?? Uhmm you need to LOOK IT UP AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

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i know most of what u said 1000rr and r1 arent moto gp just useing that as a referance to the bikes and honda has a INLINE 5 CYLENDER MOTOR LOOK IT UP i am new to this but did a little research and honda runs 5 INLINE CYLENDERS smaller cylender shorter stroke

remember rossi's world championship's before yammy. and where yammy was before rossi.
interesting thought i like it yams BIG BANGIN INLINE 4 is only big bangin cause of rossi and i have no doubt i how great rossi is but hayden will be great too trust me
do you even know what a big bang engine is???
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paniro187 u should learn to talk to people and not treat them like they are dumb even if they r i feel stupid ty for the link got it now
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