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Old 10-16-2006, 03:03 PM   #101
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colin is clearly a support role to rossi plane and simple. ROSSI chose colin. Honda doesn't have such roles they like to play. they want to championship contenders on both bikes. quite simply put nicky should have known this and never should hav eresigned oh well. also dani had a minut chance but it was a chance at that and he like i would have took it[/SIZE]. racing incident plain and simple. should not have happened but dani was racing for HIS own championship too. nicky fans have their blinders on for sure. dani was wrong but he had his own battle to fight




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That was less than a minut chance. Pedrosa was rolling over the curb and entirly to early to make dumb moves. Not to mention Collins and Rossi were leaving Pedrosa behind when Hayden came close on his pass. I think that's what made pedrosa push the bad attempt.
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Racing incident for sure, but it should NEVER have happened. Pedrosa should have backed off a bit once Hayden got by. It was, and I quote, "sheer lunacy." It was just a stupid thing to do with everything that was at stake, just plain stupid. Did I mention it was stupid?
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Dani Pedrosa is human and just as fallible as you or I, but his blunder yesterday had an edge to it that led me to believe it wasn't just simply a mistake. Pedrosa has been quoted widely after the incident as saying he wasn't trying to make a pass when he crashed and took Hayden out. I think you either have to be delusional or a seriously accomplished serial liar to actually mouth those words after an incident like that, caught on video tape no less. Pedrosa met a fork in the road when he entered that corner too quickly and he had the choice of either picking the bike up and running wide or pointing his bike inside Hayden and going for the impossible pass. He kept his bike pointed on the inside line, a clearly suicidal attempt to gain position.

Pedrosa's immediate response was what I found most telling. Normally, when a rider makes a monumental and costly error like that and takes another rider down with him—his teammate no less—his immediate concern is the welfare of the rider that he just put into the dirt. Especially when you have just taken your two existing brain cells, wired them together in parallel and eviscerated your teammate's championship points lead with one round remaining in the championship. When you have screwed up at that level, you walk over, make sure the other rider is okay, or gets the help he needs, and plead for forgiveness.

Pedrosa did nothing like that immediately after the incident. He stalked off, seemingly angry (with Hayden?) and tending to his broken finger. Sure, maybe he was frightened by the enraged Hayden and worried that the American was going to knock him right out of his Garanimals. Fairly dripping with possibility that threat but, you know what? Not really relevant. When you pull a move like that, when your idiocy costs someone his dream, you walk over, apologize, wait for the hit...and you take it. Period. Pedrosa never even ran over and tried to help Hayden re-start his bike.

Pedrosa did come to Hayden's motorhome later, reportedly, and apologized in some fashion. I'd like to think that he did this of his own free will and because his conscience dictated it, but I really wonder if he wasn't goaded into it by higher powers because of the impending public relations disaster he was the focus of.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Oct/0 61016c.htm
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Dani Pedrosa is human and just as fallible as you or I, but his blunder yesterday had an edge to it that led me to believe it wasn't just simply a mistake. Pedrosa has been quoted widely after the incident as saying he wasn't trying to make a pass when he crashed and took Hayden out. I think you either have to be delusional or a seriously accomplished serial liar to actually mouth those words after an incident like that, caught on video tape no less. Pedrosa met a fork in the road when he entered that corner too quickly and he had the choice of either picking the bike up and running wide or pointing his bike inside Hayden and going for the impossible pass. He kept his bike pointed on the inside line, a clearly suicidal attempt to gain position.

Pedrosa's immediate response was what I found most telling. Normally, when a rider makes a monumental and costly error like that and takes another rider down with him—his teammate no less—his immediate concern is the welfare of the rider that he just put into the dirt. Especially when you have just taken your two existing brain cells, wired them together in parallel and eviscerated your teammate's championship points lead with one round remaining in the championship. When you have screwed up at that level, you walk over, make sure the other rider is okay, or gets the help he needs, and plead for forgiveness.

Pedrosa did nothing like that immediately after the incident. He stalked off, seemingly angry (with Hayden?) and tending to his broken finger. Sure, maybe he was frightened by the enraged Hayden and worried that the American was going to knock him right out of his Garanimals. Fairly dripping with possibility that threat but, you know what? Not really relevant. When you pull a move like that, when your idiocy costs someone his dream, you walk over, apologize, wait for the hit...and you take it. Period. Pedrosa never even ran over and tried to help Hayden re-start his bike.
Pedrosa did come to Hayden's motorhome later, reportedly, and apologized in some fashion. I'd like to think that he did this of his own free will and because his conscience dictated it, but I really wonder if he wasn't goaded into it by higher powers because of the impending public relations disaster he was the focus of.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Oct/0 61016c.htm
That was what I have wondered all along!
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That was what I have wondered all along!
why would pedrosa run over to hayden and help him re-start his bike? i think people are confusing a trackday and race. everyman for himself when racing or competing IMO.
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why would pedrosa run over to hayden and help him re-start his bike? i think people are confusing a trackday and race. everyman for himself when racing or competing IMO.


Even if he doesn't help, he showed no concern whatsoever. And like the SBKPlanet article said. He even looked angry at Hayden. lol

KRJR's first concern was Tamada when he got taken out. Ran over to check on him without even looking to see if his own bike was fit to continue. Class.
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Stoner didn't take out Sete, but Sete wasn't able to avoid Stoners bike and went down. Stoner looks over at Sete and gives him the 'sorry mate' look and upturned hands.
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there is no real such thing as teammates on motogp. a team is allowed two bikes, two riders, and other than the same sponsor, similar equipment and matching paint, they arent any more teammates to each other than anyone else. its only the sponsors who really see them as teammates.

in fact, in this sport, your teammate is who you want to beat more than anyone, as they explain in "faster", "he's the guy you want to beat, hes the only one on the track with the same equipment as you".

it doesnt matter if they were teammates or not, they could have been 19th and 20th in the championship, anytime you wreck, your being irresponsible and negligent on the racetrack. take someone else out, and its a hundredfold worse, you are taking someone elses life in your hands, their career, everything.

i would hate to imagine this incident could be thought of as more exusable if they werent teammates.

imo, honda should have had some type of team orders, whether they be for these last races or the first two, a couple team orders should be no brainers:

1.) dont wreck
2.) dont wreck and take out your teammate.

pedrosa is a f ucking failure. please send him back to the red bull rookie cup or somewhere. he has enough speed for gp, but not enough control. let him come back when he learns it, so he can quit ****ing things up for everyone else...CHRIST!
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by Dean Adams (excerpt)

Dani Pedrosa is human and just as fallible as you or I, but his blunder yesterday had an edge to it that led me to believe it wasn't just simply a mistake. Pedrosa has been quoted widely after the incident as saying he wasn't trying to make a pass when he crashed and took Hayden out. I think you either have to be delusional or a seriously accomplished serial liar to actually mouth those words after an incident like that, caught on video tape no less. Pedrosa met a fork in the road when he entered that corner too quickly and he had the choice of either picking the bike up and running wide or pointing his bike inside Hayden and going for the impossible pass. He kept his bike pointed on the inside line, a clearly suicidal attempt to gain position.

Pedrosa's immediate response was what I found most telling. Normally, when a rider makes a monumental and costly error like that and takes another rider down with him—his teammate no less—his immediate concern is the welfare of the rider that he just put into the dirt. Especially when you have just taken your two existing brain cells, wired them together in parallel and eviscerated your teammate's championship points lead with one round remaining in the championship. When you have screwed up at that level, you walk over, make sure the other rider is okay, or gets the help he needs, and plead for forgiveness.

Pedrosa did nothing like that immediately after the incident. He stalked off, seemingly angry (with Hayden?) and tending to his broken finger. Sure, maybe he was frightened by the enraged Hayden and worried that the American was going to knock him right out of his Garanimals. Fairly dripping with possibility that threat but, you know what? Not really relevant. When you pull a move like that, when your idiocy costs someone his dream, you walk over, apologize, wait for the hit...and you take it. Period. Pedrosa never even ran over and tried to help Hayden re-start his bike.

Pedrosa did come to Hayden's motorhome later, reportedly, and apologized in some fashion. I'd like to think that he did this of his own free will and because his conscience dictated it, but I really wonder if he wasn't goaded into it by higher powers because of the impending public relations disaster he was the focus of.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Oct/0 61016c.htm

thats a very good article. and thats one thing that i was so at, is when pedrosa got up, looked at hayden and threw his hands down like it, o well. thats what me off. pedrosa is a , nobody on the grid likes him. even rossi has said that his method of overtaking was dangerous.
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do you honestly think he wanted to crash on purpose and took him out? so dani is supposed to lay low and lose the little chance he had to finish maybe in the top 3 his first year in GP?

IMO Dani is the better driver and Hayden should have let him pass. let someone who will be a power house get a head start and gain more experience to take out rossi next year.

omg. hahha. this is why people that have the same mentality arent winners. cmon arturo, let dani pass??? i realllly hope you were kidding. :confused2
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I read and I read and I read ....

I'll stay out of this as much as possible, coz i'm pro Rossi.

But here are some of my thoughts (not Pro Rossi hopefully, or anything to do with him).


1) Pedrosa is a far much better and aggressive rider then Hayden (as a couple people stated above). However Hayden is far more experienced and alot more consistent.

2) Pedrosa is a Spanish Rider, in a Spanish Sport with Spanish majority in the powers and offices calling the suspension shots and what's at stake. Hayden is an American rider, who i'm just proud to say at this age is doing what he's doing. (Can't believe i'm saying that).

3) When Hayden passed Pedrosa a lap before, that was not a clean pass at all, but he made it stick and that's what counts. Pedrosa tried to do the same, and did'nt make it stick and took Hayden down. Imagine what you all what be saying if Hayden took Pedrosa out? :eh: Funny when you think of the other story eh?

4) I do not Blame Hayden for his pass, that aggravated Pedrosa. OR Pedrosa for taking Hayden out! But i do blame HRC for not giving team orders. Had they given team orders, Pedrosa could have blocked for Hayden!

HRC is just too far up its own A$$ and i love the fact that Rossi is teaching them a lesson, ever since he went over to Yamaha! HRC treats Hayden like the unwanted child and favors Pedrosa - they desperately want a Spanish rider to take the cup (go figure!). HRC should have given team orders!

We're talking 8 Honda riders to 4 Yamaha riders. If they wanted they could have done it. I don't even consider the Yamaha Tech 3 as a blocking instruement (an opposition might say similar about the Minolta camp.).

However it could easily have been 2 Camel Yamaha's VS. 4 Honda's, the Repsol team along with the Fortuna Honda team. We all know what Melandri is capable of doing. And if Elias could have blocked from the front (obviously he has nothing to lose!), Hayden could have faired out much better.

I Blame Honda and only Honda - not Hayden nor Pedrosa.

5) In my opinion, one of the reason's Hayden is even in the top 5 is because every other top 5 runner kept on falling or getting taken out or having mechanical issues! Like Rossi, Capirossi, Melandri and Pedrosa. If these 4 would have run clean and without issues - Hayden would not even be in the top 5! For 's Sake, the Kentucky Kid got his first Podium in 2003 when they penalized Tamada, that's his first Podium! Haha..:laughing6

So call him consistent all you want, but its coz others kept on Fuggin up.

I'm kinda glad he got a DNF - coz now it evens the score with Rossi, Capirossi and others..but (i dont wanna sound Pro Rossi - so i digress).

6) In his interview he says, "I Told Dani we run 1 and 2 in Valencia and that's the only way possible".

IN regards to that - is he seriously talking about Rossi like he's on a go-kart and its THAT EASY! Come on, we're talking about Rossi here (there i go again being Rossi pro).

He did very well in his interview, except for those "Puffs and Peufs! " Totally goes with his image of showing up in Shorts to his contract resign! Grow up dude!, you were doing soo well in your interview keeping your feelings in, but did you have to bad mouth Rossi like that!?

What i did like however in the interview as when he said " I mean i don't sign the guy's checks! Honda pays him to race hard - and that's what he did!"

That kinda was nice to see Hayden diss HRC, and still did'nt bash Pedrosa THAT much. I'd hate to be Honda right now as Yamaha and Ducati and all look at Honda and laugh - haha, some team planning bozos!



But time will tell - when next season, Pedrosa will be the real threat to Rossi rather then Hayden...time will tell Pedrosa being the better of the two HRC riders..:confused2
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I read and I read and I read ....

I'll stay out of this as much as possible, coz i'm pro Rossi.

But here are some of my thoughts (not Pro Rossi hopefully, or anything to do with him).

I'm also pro Rossi and Hayden and Nakano and most of the other guys.. Above all, I am a MotoGP fan.



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1) Pedrosa is a far much better and aggressive rider then Hayden (as a couple people stated above). However Hayden is far more experienced and alot more consistent.
Hayden is more experienced in the MotoGP class, but Pedroas is a 3x world champion. But yeah, he mostly won running away, very little passing involved.

Being aggressive doesn't do you any good if you are out of control, ask Stoner.


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We're talking 8 Honda riders to 4 Yamaha riders. If they wanted they could have done it. I don't even consider the Yamaha Tech 3 as a blocking instruement (an opposition might say similar about the Minolta camp.).

HRC has no control over any of the teams other than it's own. Repsol Honda. The other teams are individually owned and sponsored and would put their own sponsors best interests ahead of anything else. So it really came down to 1 rider who could have received orders, but I'm glad did not. Repsol is a Spanish company and Dani being Spanish, I can bet the bigwigs at Repsol were making phone calls making sure Dani wasn't given orders. But I don't remember HRC ever giving them anyway.






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5) In my opinion, one of the reason's Hayden is even in the top 5 is because every other top 5 runner kept on falling or getting taken out or having mechanical issues! Like Rossi, Capirossi, Melandri and Pedrosa. If these 4 would have run clean and without issues - Hayden would not even be in the top 5! For 's Sake, the Kentucky Kid got his first Podium in 2003 when they penalized Tamada, that's his first Podium! Haha..:laughing6

So call him consistent all you want, but its coz others kept on Fuggin up.

I'm kinda glad he got a DNF - coz now it evens the score with Rossi, Capirossi and others..but (i dont wanna sound Pro Rossi - so i digress).

That's racing. Racing involves just as much luck, as it does skill. You can narrow it down even further and say that the Dunlop guys are out, and the bridestones as good as they are getting, still suck at some tracks. So the championship comes down to the Michelin riders. etc etc.

Yeah, Hayden's first podium was on a technicality, but he wasn't jumping for joy either. He quickly followed it up with a legit podium at the following race.

I believe this could/should have been Capirossi's year. It's a shame, but that's racing.


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Totally goes with his image of showing up in Shorts to his contract resign! Grow up dude!, you were doing soo well in your interview keeping your feelings in, but did you have to bad mouth Rossi like that!?
Ever seen Rossi show up with his tattered jeans and t-shirts? That's IF he even bothers to show up on time. It's well known that Rossi is contantly late which off Burgess and some of the other folks.

How did he badmouth Rossi? :laughing6
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i do believe it was capirossis year too
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i do believe it was capirossis year too
As stated in my earlier posts in other threads..

to be fair - this should have been CapiRossi's year..




And as far as badmouthing Rossi - Hayden did it in his interview when he talks about how "I told Dani we have to Run 1 and 2 @ Valencia"

saying it like Rossi's a kid and just gonna let him pass..

It'd be nice for them to get their act together and first pass Edwards - talk about Rossi later..:icon_bigg
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A lot of talk on this thread from guys who don't race and/or have never been to the track but....

Racing is Racing but, I would agree that this was probably the biggest mistake Pedrossa could have made. It almost had "I should not be riding MotoGP" written all over it.

From the smallest of series and clubs to the biggest racing events.... there is usually a code amongst racers and you adhere to those things until someone shows they are playing by different rules. Hence Rossi and Sete... not once before have Nicky and Danni showed bad blood. So, I imagine he just royally screwed Nicky by virtue of stupidity. Unfortunate!

The outcome of this incident will be historical for sure and something to be seen. Let the racing begin. Nicky is going to have to check his nuts at the door now to keep up with Vale. This may be the best race for the crown yet! (or Rossi could run away with it again...)
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A lot of talk on this thread from guys who don't race and/or have never been to the track but....
i dont see why that matters. maybe if you said, "no one here has ridden with a GP team to understand what goes on like me..."
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Old 10-17-2006, 01:54 PM   #119
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i dont see why that matters. maybe if you said, "no one here has ridden with a GP team to understand what goes on like me..."
Funny one... It was the lead in for my racer code statement that some may not understand until they have shared the experience with fellow riders on the track. Do you not agree?

.... or should I slide a dirty pass under you next time we are out at the track?

... ooh, the pass from the outside coming in close and giving a little elbow to the front brake is a fun one too.... How about we try that one out?
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Old 10-17-2006, 01:57 PM   #120
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Funny one... It was the lead in for my racer code statement that some may not understand until they have shared the experience with fellow riders on the track. Do you not agree?

.... or should I slide a dirty pass under you next time we are out at the track?

... ooh, the pass from the outside coming in close and giving a little elbow to the front brake is a fun one too.... How about we try that one out?
try that on a TRACKDAY or amatuer racing organization with a $40 purse
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