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Old 07-12-2011, 02:58 PM   #61
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dude i simply stated that i had a faster pace than him. never claimed or even implied to be gp fast which is what you somehow managed to interpret out of all this.

when you graduate from novice and intermediate lmk. ill meet you at the track and show you the fundamentals of advanced level riding. bit different from the painters tape pace your used to. maybe you will be the one pulling ME around the track.

btw, traffic law 101... not paying attention and you rear end someone, your at fault. being a dumb and brake checking someone causing them to rear end you, brake checker at fault. very similar to the principals of track riding. its not rocket science guy.
I dont know you. I dont know how much tracktime you have. I dont know what you ride. Here's what I DO know... you like to wheelie on the highway in "subpar" gear on a liter bike and you have verbally challenged New Rider to a lesson at the track after being absent for... what was it you said? Two years?

I don't really understand your accusations of the literbike rider going in too hot? Was he actively going down when you hit him? If not, how does a rider go in too hot if he makes the turn? Why didnt you simply pass him on the outside? Me thinks you were the one going in too hot.

I'm glad you shelved the track use. I wouldn't want to be agravating you out there. What you seem to fail to understand is that people come out there to learn. Even the level 3 (advanced) riders. Check the ego at the door for trackdays or grid up.

FYI, I'm one of those that you (and others hate). Liter bike track rider myself.
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I dont know you. I dont know how much tracktime you have. I dont know what you ride. Here's what I DO know... you like to wheelie on the highway in "subpar" gear on a liter bike and you have verbally challenged New Rider to a lesson at the track after being absent for... what was it you said? Two years?

I don't really understand your accusations of the literbike rider going in too hot? Was he actively going down when you hit him? If not, how does a rider go in too hot if he makes the turn? Why didnt you simply pass him on the outside? Me thinks you were the one going in too hot.

I'm glad you shelved the track use. I wouldn't want to be agravating you out there. What you seem to fail to understand is that people come out there to learn. Even the level 3 (advanced) riders. Check the ego at the door for trackdays or grid up.

FYI, I'm one of those that you (and others hate). Liter bike track rider myself.
Yes officer, I do like to whoolie on the freeway in "subpar" gear. Ill be sure to wear a bear suite next time. Where are you going with this??

Absent for two years, present for the previous 15 or so. You know what they say about riding a bike guy. Once you got it, you got it. No doubt it would take a few sessions before I could turn lap times like I did back in the day but thats to be expected. Bet your I wouldnt be dropping back to intermediate though.

In regards to going in too hot, do you happen to know what an apex is? Assuming you dont, basically when you apex a turn you come in wide, hug tight, exit wide. Its the most efficient way to take a turn. Well this gent totally blew the apex friend. And when he did this, he was going to come out waaaaaaay too wide and run off the track. So you see, he made his pass by a hair then realizing he was about to run off of the track, he jammed his brakes and parked it to save his own . In the meantime, I hit the apex properly and was already committed to my line which he intruded up on and decided to have a picnic. If your able to pilot around someone who passed you and then half a second later pulled the parachute, my hats off to you. You should consider a racing career.

I understand people go to the track to learn. I never denied that. I myself learned so much in my years of track riding. Main thing being that those same dumb that almost take my life every time I ride street, are the same dumb that saddle up come track day.
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Yes officer, I do like to whoolie on the freeway in "subpar" gear. Ill be sure to wear a bear suite next time. Where are you going with this??
Arrogance is where I was headed. It demonstrates arrogance on your end.

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Absent for two years, present for the previous 15 or so. You know what they say about riding a bike guy. Once you got it, you got it. No doubt it would take a few sessions before I could turn lap times like I did back in the day but thats to be expected. Bet your I wouldnt be dropping back to intermediate though.
And some more helpings of arrogance. Again, I'm glad you shelved the trackdays.

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In regards to going in too hot, do you happen to know what an apex is? Assuming you dont, basically when you apex a turn you come in wide, hug tight, exit wide. Its the most efficient way to take a turn. Well this gent totally blew the apex friend. And when he did this, he was going to come out waaaaaaay too wide and run off the track. So you see, he made his pass by a hair then realizing he was about to run off of the track, he jammed his brakes and parked it to save his own . In the meantime, I hit the apex properly and was already committed to my line which he intruded up on and decided to have a picnic. If your able to pilot around someone who passed you and then half a second later pulled the parachute, my hats off to you. You should consider a racing career.
Sure, I know what the apex is. I wasn't there but I'll give you the benefit of doubt even though I still don't understand. All I understand is that he was in front of you before the turn began.

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I understand people go to the track to learn. I never denied that. I myself learned so much in my years of track riding. Main thing being that those same dumb that almost take my life every time I ride street, are the same dumb that saddle up come track day.
I appreciate "dumb " who come to the track to actively learn how to ride better far more than the "dumb " who continue to corner an intersection at 60+. Dishing out road rage/track rage is as devastating as those who made a mistake.

FWIW, I am debating you because I am merely trying to become a better rider myself. I've got just two trackdays under my belt. Learning from your/others mistakes is a priority of mine. Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate it.
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its my experience that its the person following no matter what the situation. If someone flies past you, you should take any and every possible scenario into consideration, especially the other rider parking the bike at the apex. At a trackday this could be a possible situation, and to a much lesser extent at a Race. If someone passes you on the inside like that again im sure you will back off. Its just a lesson learned for everyone here. Ive been there and done that too.
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Yes officer, I do like to whoolie on the freeway in "subpar" gear. Ill be sure to wear a bear suite next time. Where are you going with this??
It just shows a bit of your judgement and credibility...oh I forgot...you are SuperMan....excuse me.

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Absent for two years, present for the previous 15 or so. You know what they say about riding a bike guy. Once you got it, you got it. No doubt it would take a few sessions before I could turn lap times like I did back in the day but thats to be expected. Bet your I wouldnt be dropping back to intermediate though.
Sounds like intermediate is where you should be ego man...No hard passing there.....hey who knows, you might be the fastest there so you can claim your "awesome cool points"!

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In regards to going in too hot, do you happen to know what an apex is? Assuming you dont, basically when you apex a turn you come in wide, hug tight, exit wide. Its the most efficient way to take a turn. Well this gent totally blew the apex friend. And when he did this, he was going to come out waaaaaaay too wide and run off the track. So you see, he made his pass by a hair then realizing he was about to run off of the track, he jammed his brakes and parked it to save his own . In the meantime, I hit the apex properly and was already committed to my line which he intruded up on and decided to have a picnic. If your able to pilot around someone who passed you and then half a second later pulled the parachute, my hats off to you. You should consider a racing career.
Funny how HE up and hit brakes to save himself yet you could not let off your throttle and tap breaks to avoid getting close to him or even hitting him to "make you crash"

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I understand people go to the track to learn. I never denied that. I myself learned so much in my years of track riding. Main thing being that those same dumb that almost take my life every time I ride street, are the same dumb that saddle up come track day.
No wait...you missed the part where you learned that you are a dumb douchebag that needs to check his ego...don't lose that lesson..
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Sure, I know what the apex is. I wasn't there but I'll give you the benefit of doubt even though I still don't understand. All I understand is that he was in front of you before the turn began.
He was behind me when the turn began. Blew his line to make an inside pass at the apex, maybe just a bit past the apex, and then decided to have a picnic. I have steered my around plenty of possible accidents through the years. Trust me, this one was unavoidable.
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It just shows a bit of your judgement and credibility...oh I forgot...you are SuperMan....excuse me.


Sounds like intermediate is where you should be ego man...No hard passing there.....hey who knows, you might be the fastest there so you can claim your "awesome cool points"!


Funny how HE up and hit brakes to save himself yet you could not let off your throttle and tap breaks to avoid getting close to him or even hitting him to "make you crash"


No wait...you missed the part where you learned that you are a dumb douchebag that needs to check his ego...don't lose that lesson..
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He was behind me when the turn began. Blew his line to make an inside pass at the apex, maybe just a bit past the apex, and then decided to have a picnic. I have steered my around plenty of possible accidents through the years. Trust me, this one was unavoidable.
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I feel like Im trying to explain myself to Hellen Keller. Go shoot yourself now. Anne Sullivan is retiring.
You got that wrong. I'm the Hellen Keller here. I'm Deaf and I didn't see the accident. ;-)

If he started to lose his line and go wide... sounds like there's a solid opening to pass inside upon the exit. Everything's ultimately avoidable. You just weren't good enough this time around. Successful passes are all about dodging inches in advanced. It takes two to tango. I will chalk it up to a double dose of rider error. Sorry you crashed. Glad you're okay so quit having blue about it.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone.

I will say that the rider in front of you can do something so totally unexpected that it results in a collision from the following rider. In those cases fault can be found with both riders. Not only one or the other.

My personal experience with that came recently. A rider well in front of me chopped throttle exiting the turn as I was just ast apex. At the same time he stood the bike up into my line and in an effort to correct his mistake stalled the bike out completely. The resulting crash happened in stages of decision.

Each decision at the time was based on each new factor in his action and my reaction...
chopping throttle=>adjust line to pass on outside...
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stalls bike=>detonate front brake to wash front instead of colliding and smashing bodies with bikes.

In hindsight I could have thought to myself "what if that guy stops in the middle of that turn?", but then if that was my thought process I'd just stay in the pits. There is a reasonable expectation of events and behaviors depending on the level you're riding in.

I will do my best to take some lessons learned from the situation. Honestly most of it is easily chalked up to HAPPENS sometimes. Especially involving multiple people engaged in a risky endeavor in the same limited space. I'm not mad at the other rider. It's the risk I chose to take by getting on the track.

First and foremost I choose to leave a attitude at home. Then I choose to ride with organizations who attract riders I'm comfortable taking those risks with. When all that is done I choose not to whine, , or quit when something goes wrong.
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Also keep in mind it is the passers responsibility to do so cleanly. At what point does his responsibility for that pass end? To me it's past the exit of the turn. If I get passed only to have the guy run wide and destroy my line after apex then he didn't pass cleanly. At least not for a TD environment. Racing is another matter entirely.
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He was behind me when the turn began. Blew his line to make an inside pass at the apex, maybe just a bit past the apex, and then decided to have a picnic. I have steered my around plenty of possible accidents through the years. Trust me, this one was unavoidable.
So I trust we'll see you at the next track day..??
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Im considering Cresson day after tomorrow.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone.

I will say that the rider in front of you can do something so totally unexpected that it results in a collision from the following rider. In those cases fault can be found with both riders. Not only one or the other.

My personal experience with that came recently. A rider well in front of me chopped throttle exiting the turn as I was just ast apex. At the same time he stood the bike up into my line and in an effort to correct his mistake stalled the bike out completely. The resulting crash happened in stages of decision.

Each decision at the time was based on each new factor in his action and my reaction...
chopping throttle=>adjust line to pass on outside...
stands bike up into new line=>get on that brake(it's going to be close)...
stalls bike=>detonate front brake to wash front instead of colliding and smashing bodies with bikes.

In hindsight I could have thought to myself "what if that guy stops in the middle of that turn?", but then if that was my thought process I'd just stay in the pits. There is a reasonable expectation of events and behaviors depending on the level you're riding in.

I will do my best to take some lessons learned from the situation. Honestly most of it is easily chalked up to HAPPENS sometimes. Especially involving multiple people engaged in a risky endeavor in the same limited space. I'm not mad at the other rider. It's the risk I chose to take by getting on the track.

First and foremost I choose to leave a attitude at home. Then I choose to ride with organizations who attract riders I'm comfortable taking those risks with. When all that is done I choose not to whine, , or quit when something goes wrong.
Pretty much just covers it all...

He keeps trying to rid himself of fault because he is just so fast and that guy was just so slow.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone.

I will say that the rider in front of you can do something so totally unexpected that it results in a collision from the following rider. In those cases fault can be found with both riders. Not only one or the other.

My personal experience with that came recently. A rider well in front of me chopped throttle exiting the turn as I was just ast apex. At the same time he stood the bike up into my line and in an effort to correct his mistake stalled the bike out completely. The resulting crash happened in stages of decision.

Each decision at the time was based on each new factor in his action and my reaction...
chopping throttle=>adjust line to pass on outside...
stands bike up into new line=>get on that brake(it's going to be close)...
stalls bike=>detonate front brake to wash front instead of colliding and smashing bodies with bikes.

In hindsight I could have thought to myself "what if that guy stops in the middle of that turn?", but then if that was my thought process I'd just stay in the pits. There is a reasonable expectation of events and behaviors depending on the level you're riding in.

I will do my best to take some lessons learned from the situation. Honestly most of it is easily chalked up to HAPPENS sometimes. Especially involving multiple people engaged in a risky endeavor in the same limited space. I'm not mad at the other rider. It's the risk I chose to take by getting on the track.

First and foremost I choose to leave a attitude at home. Then I choose to ride with organizations who attract riders I'm comfortable taking those risks with. When all that is done I choose not to whine, , or quit when something goes wrong.
Awesome awesome post.
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You got that wrong. I'm the Hellen Keller here. I'm Deaf and I didn't see the accident. ;-)

If he started to lose his line and go wide... sounds like there's a solid opening to pass inside upon the exit. Everything's ultimately avoidable. You just weren't good enough this time around. Successful passes are all about dodging inches in advanced. It takes two to tango. I will chalk it up to a double dose of rider error. Sorry you crashed. Glad you're okay so quit having blue about it.
So every time one of those guys they call a pro on TV crashes and 3 bikes behind him are taken out, they are at fault for not steering around his ? Since everythings untimatly avoidable? The answer is no. Unless you got the factory rocket engine option, your not gonna be able to get around some situations. Im telling you, this cat had made it less than 10 feet in front of me when he decided to park. Pretty much only one option at triple digit speeds. I mean come on. How the am I gonna end someone on the exit of a turn when your SUPPOSED to be accelerating. And needless to say after making his super awsome pass he should have been putting land on me being that he was on a 1k. Im just sayin.
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So every time one of those guys they call a pro on TV crashes and 3 bikes behind him are taken out, they are at fault for not steering around his ? Since everythings untimatly avoidable? The answer is no. Unless you got the factory rocket engine option, your not gonna be able to get around some situations. Im telling you, this cat had made it less than 10 feet in front of me when he decided to park. Pretty much only one option at near triple digit speeds. I mean come on. How the am I gonna end someone on the exit of a turn when your SUPPOSED to be accelerating. And needless to say after making his super awsome pass he should have been putting land on me being that he was on a 1k. Im just sayin.
Sir,

You are talking about a race, not a trackday. Quit making ecuses for your mistakes and decisions. Unless YOU were racing and trying to show the big bad liter bike what an awesome rider can do on a 600...

Believe me, your posts are not impressing anybody and you are just completely hurting your case...

Just give up.
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I hear you're good at hitting from the back...
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I hear you're good at hitting from the back...
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston/Heights
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Posts: 18,132

Experience: 3 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
Retrospec Fixie (Hipster ride)









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Originally Posted by daveblueballs View Post
When it comes to your sister, Im a fuggin pro at hitting from behind.
Don't forget... Guys on liter bikes at the track too!
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