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Old 07-02-2011, 10:55 PM   #1
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Intermediate lap times for TWS (Texas World Speedway)

what is an average lap time that the Intermediate guys are running at Texas World Speedway? just curious. did the LSTD today and the C group was starting to become a parking lot a few times today. just want to know what to expect.
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what is an average lap time that the Intermediate guys are running at Texas World Speedway? just curious. did the LSTD today and the C group was starting to become a parking lot a few times today. just want to know what to expect.
I'll add that the c-group today was an aberration. I've not seen that many slow newbies out there in a long time. It is almost always much better flowing.

I'd put intermediate at 2:20. There were a half dozen liter bikes doing about 2:05 today, so I'd call today a quick group. Nice thing about LSTD's B-group is the passing rule, inside or outside, 6' and clean. Really helps the group flow.
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what is an average lap time that the Intermediate guys are running at Texas World Speedway? just curious. did the LSTD today and the C group was starting to become a parking lot a few times today. just want to know what to expect.
As far as deciding when you are ready for intermediate, I wouldn't focus on the laptimes so much your ability to safely pass the slower traffic. You are absolutely ready for the next level when you can pass most anyone in your current level at will. That said, if you find the pace of the novice group too slow, you might give the intermediate group a shot next time out. If it freaks you out LSTD and most orgs are good about allowing you to bump down if you want. I would suggest before you move up that you have predictable lines and that you be prepared to be passed.

You should also know that most intermediate groups (for all track day organizations) have their fair share of rolling chicanes of bunched up riders.

At any track day, and at any level, there are two basic answers to the parking lot problem. One is a quick hot pit stop to let the huge tangle move down the track. Give them 30 seconds and then use the open track to catch up to them again. The other is to slowly and patiently gain the skills to safely and easily pass them. There is some fun to be had in being the fastest guy in your level.
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...I would suggest before you move up that you have predictable lines and that you be prepared to be passed.
that was the better response/advice.

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...At any track day, and at any level, there are two basic answers to the parking lot problem. One is a quick hot pit stop to let the huge tangle move down the track. Give them 30 seconds and then use the open track to catch up to them again. The other is to slowly and patiently gain the skills to safely and easily pass them. There is some fun to be had in being the fastest guy in your level.
funny, i don't like riding by myself so i regularly use hot pit to wait for the fast tangle to go by, then go out and chase them.
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thanks for the input guys. i was running 2:19 laps yesterday. i dont have a problem passing or getting passed. i did hot pit several times yesterday and give the slower groups 30+ seconds then back out just to catch them again or run into another group. i was having some issues passing certian groups because there would be 5 or 6 bikes scattered all overther track using 6 different lines and it would be too much like threading a needle in many circumstances which im not going to do. i dont want to spook a slower rider and cause him to feel any more uncomfortable than he might already be. there arent any trophys being passed out at the end of the day. thanks again for all the info. i am going to sign up for b next time out.
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According to the stop watch, Jay was running consistent 2:11's yesterday on the TZ125 in the B group. I know in a race when the adrenaline is pumping, he will drop 7-10 seconds, maybe more on a track he likes, off his practice times.
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What bike were you on?

I've yet to be at a LSTD event at TWS (Texas World Speedway) where the C group was as slow as it was yesterday. Typically, if the riders are slow, they're courteous enough to not try and haul on every single straight. I think I passed more people in turn 1 than on the straights.

I'd say 2:15-2:20 in C group is appropriate to move up to B group as long as you're comfortable with close proximity passing. 6' seems more like a 'guideline' than a rule. I'm not saying it SHOULD be that way, but there were a couple riders treating it like that. I don't mind, you just need to be aware.
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some fast bikes out there. what are the average times for those in group A?
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some fast bikes out there. what are the average times for those in group A?
sub 2 minutes with the LSTD group....for sure.
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fastest time i managed on an EX250 was 2:15:xx, and i thought i was gonna crash every corner that lap
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some fast bikes out there. what are the average times for those in group A?
I'm not an instructor or an expert, but I'd say if you're averaging 2:05 (not a 2:03 after 4 2:10 laps...an AVERAGE) in B group, you're ready to move up to A. Just by moving up, you'll probably be in the 1:58-2:02 range since you won't be constantly having to pass people slower than you.

But like I said, I'm not an expert, so I could be completely wrong
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I'm not an instructor or an expert, but I'd say if you're averaging 2:05 (not a 2:03 after 4 2:10 laps...an AVERAGE) in B group, you're ready to move up to A. Just by moving up, you'll probably be in the 1:58-2:02 range since you won't be constantly having to pass people slower than you.

But like I said, I'm not an expert, so I could be completely wrong
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ill be out there one day soon. youre pretty fast out there.
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ill be out there one day soon. youre pretty fast out there.
I'm trying to be! I finally got moved up to level B. Hopefully I wasn't holding anyone up too bad. 1FC showed me a new line to take around 5 and 6 where you were. I'm still getting used to it, but I think I like it more. It's helping me set up 6 much better.

Word on the street is you had some snakes over by you...haha.

I won't be back out to the track until October the way things look right now. But hopefully I'll have my track plastic painted by then.
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You're going to hit traffic in every group. In C you have complete noobs (sometimes with very little actual riding experience), which is ok, and you have guys that have done a few days and are getting comfortable. I've seen 2:20 - 3:00m in C groups.

In B, you have guys that are comfortable enough to move up from C but still on the slower side, and guys that have been in B and while and getting ready to jump to A. So there can still be quite a difference in closing speeds.

I've yet to ride A, but will most likely do it next time. I'm sure I'll be a rolling chicane for a bit.
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C group......2:20? That doesn't happen

B group......2:10? Maybe one or two on Saturday

A group......2:20 to 1:50.

Lap times drop significantly the day after.........
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I dont think I have ever seen a 2:20 guy in A group, he would get the chit scared out of him, most A guys are racers and I have seen 1:40,s
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C group......2:20? That doesn't happen

B group......2:10? Maybe one or two on Saturday

A group......2:20 to 1:50.

Lap times drop significantly the day after.........
No way. I did a 2:16 in C group Saturday. Moved up to B in the afternoon and ran a 2:09 and there were a few people in B group passing me like nobody's business.

If you're running a 2:20 in the A-group, you're going to cause a wreck.

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I dont think I have ever seen a 2:20 guy in A group, he would get the chit scared out of him, most A guys are racers and I have seen 1:40,s
Agreed. High 1:40s, but in the 1:40's.

C group --> 2:20 +
B group --> 2:00...2:05-2:20
A group --> 2:00 and below
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I agree high 140,s. Mostly 1:50 - 2:05, If U are running 2:20,s I,m purdy sure if U are running 2:20,s in A group LSTD is gonna pull U out of there for your safety as well as others
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I agree high 140,s. Mostly 1:50 - 2:00, If U are running 2:20,s I,m purdy sure LSTD is gonna pull U out of there for your safety as well as others
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