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Old 06-29-2011, 11:58 AM   #41
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now on top of that.. I never seen a motorcycle KILL anyone else but him self, so how does that put in danger others?? but then AGAIN... Anything is possible.
I know, I know.. it could cause an accident but I've been riding for a little over 3yrs and not long enough to probably see that.

we always read... RIP threads about a rider that was been stupid and killed him self or he felt off the freeway or a car pulled in front of him.. but never seen him(the rider) cause the death of a person on a nother vehicle.

there are so many stupid kids on bikes with no gear but thats another story.
I've actually read a few stories of motorcycles t-boning cars, slicing through and killing passengers.

Rare, but it does happen.

I read the first article a while back, and then I just read #2. To be honest, #2 doesn't really bother me. #1 was just a troll.

Sometimes, things need to be banned because people are stupid enough to do it.

I am all for banning SS bikes for first timers and creating mandatory helmet laws as well. I know guys that weren't 21, didn't have health insurance, and didnt take MSF that rode without a helmet. It's not an automatic pull over, since the cops don't really know if you are of age or not.

If they can require seat belts for cars, they ought to require helmets for motorcycles.

The laws are not in place to hinder, they are in place as a way of protecting people who think, for some reason, they are invincible.

Typically, the people who have not yet felt their head smash against the pavement, or those who have not yet acquired the feeling of skin being sand papered off to the bone are the ones who don't fear it enough to wear gear.

Doubt the motorcycle will ever be banned, but I sure hope they make some more serious gear laws. Helmet at least.

Guy is on the ledge about to commit suicide. Are you going to just say "well it is his life, let him do what he wants" or are you going to try to stop him?

Okay, flame away lol.
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I've actually read a few stories of motorcycles t-boning cars, slicing through and killing passengers.

Rare, but it does happen.

I read the first article a while back, and then I just read #2. To be honest, #2 doesn't really bother me. #1 was just a troll.

Sometimes, things need to be banned because people are stupid enough to do it.

I am all for banning SS bikes for first timers and creating mandatory helmet laws as well. I know guys that weren't 21, didn't have health insurance, and didnt take MSF that rode without a helmet. It's not an automatic pull over, since the cops don't really know if you are of age or not.

If they can require seat belts for cars, they ought to require helmets for motorcycles.

The laws are not in place to hinder, they are in place as a way of protecting people who think, for some reason, they are invincible.

Typically, the people who have not yet felt their head smash against the pavement, or those who have not yet acquired the feeling of skin being sand papered off to the bone are the ones who don't fear it enough to wear gear.

Doubt the motorcycle will ever be banned, but I sure hope they make some more serious gear laws. Helmet at least.

Guy is on the ledge about to commit suicide. Are you going to just say "well it is his life, let him do what he wants" or are you going to try to stop him?

Okay, flame away lol.
I have smashed my head against the pavement repeatedly, and am forced to accept that I am, in fact, invincible. Can I get a waver?
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I have smashed my head against the pavement repeatedly, and am forced to accept that I am, in fact, invincible. Can I get a waver?
Only if you have picture proof showing you were not harmed in any way from this.
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Sometimes, things need to be banned because people are stupid enough to do it.
"Land of the free"...where its citizens hate the idea of freedom.

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I am all for banning SS bikes for first timers and creating mandatory helmet laws as well. I know guys that weren't 21, didn't have health insurance, and didnt take MSF that rode without a helmet. It's not an automatic pull over, since the cops don't really know if you are of age or not.

If they can require seat belts for cars, they ought to require helmets for motorcycles.
There shouldn't be a seat belt requirement either - the argument is just as stupid as the helmet law.

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The laws are not in place to hinder, they are in place as a way of protecting people who think, for some reason, they are invincible.
You mean, those who just DON'T think. The ones Darwin should be allowed to take care of?

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Typically, the people who have not yet felt their head smash against the pavement, or those who have not yet acquired the feeling of skin being sand papered off to the bone are the ones who don't fear it enough to wear gear.

Doubt the motorcycle will ever be banned, but I sure hope they make some more serious gear laws. Helmet at least.
I sure hope the government holds my hand in ever decision I make too, because I know I'm far too stupid to make my own decisions for myself! Tee hee! Obviously they know what's best for everyone!

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Guy is on the ledge about to commit suicide. Are you going to just say "well it is his life, let him do what he wants" or are you going to try to stop him?
I'd hand him a cyanide pill and ask him to be at least a little bit considerate and go out in a way that's less of a mess for others to clean up.
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"Land of the free"...where its citizens hate the idea of freedom.
If you think this is the land of the "free" you are mistaken.

And no, this is not some jab at Obama, so let's please not go THAT direction.
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According to NHTSA over 8000 children were killed in automobile accidents in 2009. That's twice then number of motorcycle deaths. Ban children from riding in cars. MUCH better idea if you want to propose dumb ideas of banning stuff. None of them will have a chance to ride. Someone else had their young lives in their hands and they had no chance of controlling what happened. I wonder how many of them saw it coming before the inattntive driver did and could do nothing about it but scream MOMMY MOMMY. At least bike riders are more likely to be adults. And I've mentioned before that if you have a passenger on your bike you have a 773H of a responsibility to keep them safe.
On the other side - remember there are a LOT of lobbiests for bike manufactures and the amount of revinew generated by bikes and bike paraphernalia is their tool to keep things easy for us and keep the manufacturers making MONEY!!!. They deal directly with the polititians that make the laws. Man this guy lives in a little world. He's just one dork spouting off in his tiny anti-bike world. He needs eyes opened by going to the Middle East where thousands of people are murdered by their leaders on a daily basis and he needs to DO something about THAT if he wants to save lives. I'll even paint him a sign to "BAN THE BURKA". See how far he gets with his "movement" over there.
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If you think this is the land of the "free" you are mistaken.

And no, this is not some jab at Obama, so let's please not go THAT direction.
Though we were supposed to be, no we are not. And what's worse, is the people are not only ok with giving up their freedoms, but they're excited to watch them go, and a lot of times just because "it won't affect me".
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Question you must ask of yourself, is just how much government intrusion do you want in your life when it comes to motorcycle riding. Pick a number, any number on the scale below. On a sliding scale 1 thru 20, with 1 being total government control and out right ban on motorcycles and 20 being you get to do whatever you well please, no laws are applicable. On this scale, where do you think things should be?

(motorcycle ban) 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20 (anarchy)


Personally, I think we should be around the 17 mark. What say you?
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18, just fine squids for have poorly taken care of momos
LOL Nah - no need to fine em - they'll pay a stupid tax later when they have to repair what they should have maintained.

The only restrictions there should be are ones which directly affect others. DIRECTLY - not two or three or more times removed.

Blowing a stop sign - yeah that directly affects others.
Not wearing a helmet - no, that doesn't directly affect anyone but the rider.

As long as they are ridden in accordance with traffic regulations, then it shouldn't matter. Blaming the biker for the accident caused by River Oaks Barbie in her Escalade is beyond retarded.
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LOL Nah - no need to fine em - they'll pay a stupid tax later when they have to repair what they should have maintained.

The only restrictions there should be are ones which directly affect others. DIRECTLY - not two or three or more times removed.

Blowing a stop sign - yeah that directly affects others.
Not wearing a helmet - no, that doesn't directly affect anyone but the rider.

As long as they are ridden in accordance with traffic regulations, then it shouldn't matter. Blaming the biker for the accident caused by River Oaks Barbie in her Escalade is beyond retarded.
Basically, this.

Hard to really say on the scale...if it's motorcycle specific, then 20 - why should a moto have to follow any more specific laws than a car? Other than say licensing and showing safe operation, so...19? Depends on what the levels are.
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Question you must ask of yourself, is just how much government intrusion do you want in your life when it comes to motorcycle riding. Pick a number, any number on the scale below. On a sliding scale 1 thru 20, with 1 being total government control and out right ban on motorcycles and 20 being you get to do whatever you well please, no laws are applicable. On this scale, where do you think things should be?

(motorcycle ban) 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20 (anarchy)


Personally, I think we should be around the 17 mark. What say you?
I'd replace that scale with this one:

(Bevo) 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20 (another thread about essential freedoms)

I'd say we should be at 1 or BEVO.
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cali to ban suicide now too....

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For arguments sake (using the scale I provided), let's say I am correct that we are currently 17 on the scale. By passing a mandatory helmet law, wouldn't that move the scare to 16? What if the ATGATT crowd was able to get legislation passed mandating even more gear to ride a motorcycle, wouldn't that move the scale again to 15? Let's not forget about HB 2470, what if something like that were to pass, wouldn't that move it a couple of notches again to 13? Then you have the tiered crowd, allowing only certain cc motorcycles at certain stages in ones life, now we're down to 11 on the scale. We're near half way to a total ban on motorcycles. And it was all done in little increments. One would say, mandatory helmets don't lead to a ban on motorcycles. And it doesn't, not by itself. But each little liberty that is taken away, takes you one step closer to total government involvement.
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