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Old 06-28-2011, 08:34 PM   #1
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...it'll 'never' happen.

Recall our chaotic discussion on mandatory helmet laws and the possible natural progresstion to other 'laws'.

There were some claims it could/would never happen...

Well...for now maybe we're safe, but don't be a fool and think there aren't people out there who wouldn't try to push for that.


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Auto Erotica: It's time to ban the motorcycle
There, I said it. It needed to be said.

What if I were to tell you that the fatality rate for those of us who drive a car or truck is 14 out of every 100,000 drivers? That’s a distressing statistic but it’s far below what it once was.

Now, what if I were to tell you that there’s a vehicle on the road today that increases your chances of being killed while driving it by more than 500 percent, producing an average of 72 fatalities for every 100,000 users?

That vehicle would represent a pretty silly and dangerous way to get around, don’t you think? But wait — there’s more. What if this vehicle produced 11 percent of all driving fatalities, effectively erasing gains made from years of declining motor-vehicle deaths? Would you want to drive that vehicle? Would you want your loved ones to drive it?

Surprisingly, registrations for this vehicle increased by more than 63 percent from 1997 to 2005, with the fatalities that resulted rising at a disproportionately high rate.

Add to all that the fact that this vehicle can emit 10 to 20 times the quantity of nitrogen oxide than standard automobiles because so many of these vehicles don’t require a catalytic converter. In some states, they don’t even require insurance.

This deathtrap, of course, is the motorcycle, and it’s time for the grownups to take a stand and say enough is enough.

The above statistics come from a U.S. Department of Transportation study released in October 2007 entitled, “Action Plan To Reduce Motorcycle Fatalities.” Ironically, the welcome page is from then-U.S. Secretary of Transportation Mary E. Peters, who talks about breaking her collarbone while riding one.

I’m not a motorcyclist. What, then, gives me the right to call for the end of what many millions of Americans love to do? Well, first, there is the emotional factor. A friend’s older brother — only in his early 20s — was killed in a head-on collision. Another friend’s father shattered his leg going around a curve. A few weeks ago, a friend was hit by a car and suffered a puncturedlung and a partially collapsed lung, two shattered vertebra, a broken scapula and clavicle, fivebroken ribs — some in multiple places — and has lost feeling in his lower back and left leg. He’s 23.

Then, there’s the economic impact that motorcycle crashes have on you and me. The cost to us all in terms of increased health-insurance costs — if not direct taxpayer costs — to cover those people injured in and by motorcycle accidents who can’t afford to pay. The increased cost of auto insurance from damage inflicted and received, not to mention untold billions in insurance payouts to motorcycle drivers. The court time taken up by accidents involving motorcycle drivers. The cost of accident-scene public services such as police and fire.

It’s good news that motorcycle fatalities dropped 24 percent in Florida in 2009, and yet, the Florida Department of Transportation estimates Floridians will still have to pay $190 million to cover unpaid costs associated with motorcycle crashes this year alone, as reported by WFTV News in Orlando.

Look at the above statistics again. If a certain model of car produced that kind of horrendous increase in deaths — 72 fatalities per 100,000 compared to the car and truck norm of 14 per 100,000 — the public would demand an instant halt to the production and sale of that flawed vehicle.

Driving is not a right — it’s a privilege, granted by us, the American people, to those deemed responsible enough to exercise that privilege. We are doing a disservice to our fellow Americans when we indulge their interests in an inherently unsafe vehicle. Maybe there was a time in the past when cars and trucks drove slowly enough or were small enough to allow the luxury of a vehicle that has no seat belt, no door or hood or metal around it. But no more.

Beyond the actual costs to taxpayers is the realization that we’re losing more than 4,300 motorcycle drivers a year nationally who would have been far more likely to survive with airbags and crumple zones around them.

And I won’t even mention the obvious stupidity of not legally requiring — or wanting — the wearing of helmets.

Perhaps it’s time for those people who have lost a loved one or friend in a motorcycle accident to stand up and ask that, at the very least, these vehicles be restricted to off-road areas and tracks. Friends try to keep friends from engaging in needless risks, and that’s what motorcycles are, even when operated by well-trained, responsible drivers.
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that is a dreadfull future to think of.

im sure everybody has things they can easily refute from her words, sure we all feel the same way.

i suppose the point is, BS like this exists and it can happen. Question Authority!
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:00 PM   #6
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Yes instead of finding the problem. Just ban anything involved.
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Some idiot has an opinion on the internet I'll start worrying about that slippery slope when people whose opinions matter start writing op-eds.
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that is a dreadfull future to think of.

im sure everybody has things they can easily refute from her words, sure we all feel the same way.

i suppose the point is, BS like this exists and it can happen. Question Authority!
Thank you!!! At least I know there's another person who understands.
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It's mentalities like this that leads to loss of freedoms for all of us. Someone else that thinks they know what is best for another human being and pushing their agenda upon others.
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Let's ban sports cars for being too fast and SUVs for flipping easily...we should all drive cookie cutter cars that don't go over 45 mph, that would save some lives.
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:32 PM   #12
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Some idiot has an opinion on the internet I'll start worrying about that slippery slope when people whose opinions matter start writing op-eds.
It was a pair of 'idiots with an opinion on the internet' that got a bill created/introduced which sailed through the house known has HB2470 "Malorie's Law".
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I have been trying to make this point. Too many want to let the small laws slip through. They think "that one is good" and dont think about what is gonna be next.
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It's mentalities like this that leads to loss of freedoms for all of us. Someone else that thinks they know what is best for another human being and pushing their agenda upon others.


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read an article that cali will ban the sale of violent games to kids...
how come parents are not responsibile for parenting?

people you have to take responsibility for yourself
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sent an email to that address listed.

tried to come off as a proponent, hope to get a response. then rip into that
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im sure everybody has things they can easily refute from her words, sure we all feel the same way.

i suppose the point is, BS like this exists and it can happen. Question Authority!
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You're kinda late to this. There's already a part II...

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In my June 13 column, I modestly proposed that after years of increasing fatalities (72 deaths for every 100,000 motorcycle operators vs. 14 deaths per 100,000 car and truck drivers), it was time to ban the motorcycle, at least from public roads. I wrote with my typical passion and flawless logic.

Motorcyclists were unconvinced and angry. They were angry across the United States, Canada, Ireland, England and Australia. They have accused me of being a liberal, a conservative, a “commy,” a fascist, pro-gun, anti-gun and a kayaker (?!). Someone set up my e-mail address to receive updates and ads from the most-shocking pornographic sites. It will take me weeks to carefully explore each one and untold sums of money to purchase their full-access upgrades.

Allow me to respond to some of the more-colorful e-mails before sealing up my argument.

1. I am not a journalist or reporter writing a story. I’m a columnist writing an openly opinionated column whose views are mine and mine alone.

2. Driving motorcycles — or any vehicle — is not a right granted by or the U.S. Constitution. It is a privilege extended by your fellow Americans in your state. You all are going to have to understand and acknowledge that if you’re going to defend yourselves where and when it counts.

3. Yes, I do live with my mother. What of it?

4. I fail to see what’s so funny about still having an AOL e-mail address.

5. I’m not fat — I’m big-boned.

6. I get to express my opinion in my very own column because cream rises.

7. Finally, to the female motorcyclist who claims to be more man than I’ll ever be: I would not dream of debating you, sir.

Easily 99 percent of my newfound motorcycling friends defended their hobby by pointing out that it is usually car and truck drivers — referred to by motorcyclists as “cagers” — who cause motorcycle fatalities. According to the respected but ironically titled "Hurt Report" from 1981, 75 percent of motorcycle accidents involved a collision with another vehicle, usually a car or truck. A 2000 report out of Europe titled “Motorcycle Accidents in Depth Study (MAIDS)” put the percentage at 60 percent.

This was proof, argued the bikers, that cars and trucks must be banned, or, at the very least, proves that we cagers should be required to take extended motorcycle-awareness training. To this line of argument, I have a simple answer: No.

America’s roads and highways were created for transportation, commerce and national defense. Period. I have no doubt motorcycles are fun, and that many motorcyclists are the best people around — look at how many biker groups take part in charity runs. But, and this applies to us car nuts, as well, with road space, gas and clean air dwindling, we’re all going to have to reevaluate what we do on the roads, why we do it and what we do it in.

No matter how good the driver, a motorcycle is not well designed to protect its occupant in a single or multivehicle crash, and most certainly not with a solid vehicle. As one cyclist reminds his fellow enthusiasts: “You are the crumple zone.”

So off to the track they go.

To those people who say a cycle-free America is a pipe dream, I ask you to remember two things: When you say, “The government is taking away too many individual freedoms,” what you’re really saying is, “In this democracy, my fellow Americans are growing more conservative about behaviors they will and will not accept.”

Trans fats, anyone? Circumcision?

Think about smokers. Remember when we used to see them in an office, in shopping malls, on airplanes or on television? You think back in 1968 they could have predicted their societal shunning?

Look, I’m a schmuck with a column. I’m moving on now, but heaven help all you motorcyclists if you’re targeted by some group of widows or grieving mothers à la Mothers Against Drunk Drivers. From the nature of your responses, I don’t think you’re ready for a real challenge to your hobby.

My advice: Work as a powerful team (you sure did on me). Become champions of safety. Get the fatality rates down. Promote common-sense safety features such as helmets, fuel-tank-mounted air bags and inflatable air-bag jackets. Form a powerful, public, National Rifle Association-like advocacy group (minus the craziness and hostility) that reaches out to cagers and pushes for increased driver training all around and higher penalties for those people who kill motorcyclists out of carelessness or distraction.

Then, we can talk.

Motorcyclists have great ideas for boosting safety because a number of them shared them with me: Require good safety gear. Advocate a tiered motorcycle-licensing system where once you attend and pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course, you get a license that restricts you to a limited-horsepower motorcycle or scooter for two years before being allowed to apply for an unrestricted license.

Don’t thank me for this epiphany. It’s what I do.

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Motorcyclists have great ideas for boosting safety because a number of them shared them with me: Require good safety gear. Advocate a tiered motorcycle-licensing system where once you attend and pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course, you get a license that restricts you to a limited-horsepower motorcycle or scooter for two years before being allowed to apply for an unrestricted license.
and their it is...a number of motorcyclists WANT full leather on the street and a tiered system? K, full leather / armor gloves and full race boots for the street at all times ( no matter sportbike / cruiser or scooter ) and less then 5 years you need to stay on a 250 or less.. lets get that pushed through congress....: er:
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