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Old 06-26-2011, 09:42 AM   #21
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Finally had time to watch it.
Yawnfest.
Colin's pre-race commentary was the best part of it all.
Great job by the Americans.
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Old 06-26-2011, 10:12 AM   #22
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This was not a one off thing, Ben is methodical, he has the measure of the M1 now, there will be more victories this season... There I said it...LOL

Ben did a great job but Lorenzo fl was 0.4s faster, just saying

If Simo learns to translate his practice and qualifying pace into race day and stays on, I'm not sure how many others bar stoner are going to get a look in!
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Ben did a great job but Lorenzo fl was 0.4s faster, just saying

If Simo learns to translate his practice and qualifying pace into race day and stays on, I'm not sure how many others bar stoner are going to get a look in!
I read somewhere in one of Ben's post interviews that he said that he had some in the reserves.
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It would appear to me that Speez has exactly one thing to work on: starts. I think he made it clear today that when he doesn't get stuck in traffic he has the pace to run up front.
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Ben did a great job but Lorenzo fl was 0.4s faster, just saying

If Simo learns to translate his practice and qualifying pace into race day and stays on, I'm not sure how many others bar stoner are going to get a look in!

I'm not sure Simoncelli can do what he needs to do. In my mind, he's shown that in order to run his best pace he needs to be so far over the edge that he risks everything all the time. If he backs it down to where he's not kamikaze, the pace will dissapear too.
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I'm not sure Simoncelli can do what he needs to do. In my mind, he's shown that in order to run his best pace he needs to be so far over the edge that he risks everything all the time. If he backs it down to where he's not kamikaze, the pace will dissapear too.
If he can learn to curb his enthusiasm in the opening laps of the race I think you'll see a different simoncelli!
The guy can win races, he proved that on a 250, he just seems to be taking much longer to adjust to the demands of the MotoGP bike in race trim than stoner or lorenzo who weren't the greatest at keeping it upright either but took a season to figure it out, this is simo's second.
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If he can learn to curb his enthusiasm in the opening laps of the race I think you'll see a different simoncelli!
The guy can win races, he proved that on a 250, he just seems to be taking much longer to adjust to the demands of the MotoGP bike in race trim than stoner or lorenzo who weren't the greatest at keeping it upright either but took a season to figure it out, this is simo's second.
I will fully admit to not having watched him in the 250 class. However, my gut tells me that to be a standout in that class you basically have to ride 10% past the limit as, across manufacturers, the bikes were very similar on power. So Simoncelli has learned that the way to win is to push way past the limits, and hope everything holds together. Its just not working out so well at the premier level.
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It's a shame that part of the strategy for winning a race now involves avoiding Simoncelli.
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It's a shame that part of the strategy for winning a race now involves avoiding Simoncelli.

Yeah. It is. The guy has speed. There are 5-6 front running people that run the same pace he does, give or take, without being a danger to everyone near them.

I'd probably like him more if he cut his hair.

But to add to it, all the riders have taken someone out due to something. Thinking back to Rossi and Stoner at the beginning of the year. It's racing, happens. But after the Ped thing and the general over-aggressive nature of the dude you have to wonder if he falls into the "bad luck/stuff happens" crowd or the "that guy is fast, but he has to be dangerous and may take you out" crowd.


And just because he did well in the 250 class doesn't mean he's ready for race wins in MotoGP. Look at all the 250 guys in Moto2 that ran well in Moto250 and are struggling to compete.

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all the riders have taken someone out due to something. Thinking back to Rossi and Stoner at the beginning of the year. It's racing, happens.
Very true, but we're seeing a pattern form. That's the problem. Honestly, if Simoncelli were crashing his brains out alone (more like Johnny Rea in WSBK...althugh even he has taken a few with him) no one would care as much. The problem is that he has a pattern of taking someone down with him.
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Very true, but we're seeing a pattern form. That's the problem. Honestly, if Simoncelli were crashing his brains out alone (more like Johnny Rea in WSBK...althugh even he has taken a few with him) no one would care as much. The problem is that he has a pattern of taking someone down with him.
Oh I fully agree. There comes a point to where it was seen as just luck to everyone seeing how far this dude has to hang it out and the destructive results of it. If he continues like he is, I wouldn't expect to see him in the MotoGP grid in 2012.
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Oh I fully agree. There comes a point to where it was seen as just luck to everyone seeing how far this dude has to hang it out and the destructive results of it. If he continues like he is, I wouldn't expect to see him in the MotoGP grid in 2012.
He gets paid too much money not to be on the grid
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He gets paid too much money not to be on the grid
I think Aaron meant Simoncelli won't have the option.
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I think Aaron meant Simoncelli won't have the option.
So they will just buy him out?
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So they will just buy him out?
I'm on the phone with the team owners. I'll get back to you in just a bit on that.
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So they will just buy him out?
I don't know who "they" might be, but Dorna can certainly ban him if they choose.
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