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Old 06-14-2011, 12:07 AM   #61
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To those who oppose helmet laws answer me one question directly.

Who does a helmet law harm? How?

I'm not talking about the slippery slope responses. I'm not talking about the gubment banning fried chicken or motorcycling in general. Plain and simple, who does it harm and how?
This is the strongest argument by dictatorships and tyrannical leaders. Because to a smart person its very obvious, but to a stupid person well, they don't have a clue; and these types of leaders thrive off the fact that there is much more ignorance than intelligence around them. If you can't figure it out, then I am not the one to show you.
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Old 06-14-2011, 12:08 AM   #62
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No and I base this on the seat belt law... Until I fly out of my windshield after a head on collision and kill an innocent bystander on a sidwalk, it is my business. BS LAW

Until my brains on the road cause a EMT to slip and break a wrist.... My business.
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This is the strongest argument by dictatorships and tyrannical leaders. Because to a smart person its very obvious, but to a stupid person well, they don't have a clue; and these types of leaders thrive off the fact that there is much more ignorance than intelligence around them. If you can't figure it out, then I am not the one to show you.
It's not an argument, just a question. Who does a helmet law harm and how?
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:52 AM   #64
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just throwing my 2 cents in but in Texas there already is a helmet law.
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No and I base this on the seat belt law... Until I fly out of my windshield after a head on collision and kill an innocent bystander on a sidwalk, it is my business. BS LAW

Until my brains on the road cause a EMT to slip and break a wrist.... My business.
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I will say no to the law IF there is a law (like in Europe) to start riding a small bike and progress to a big bike...people arent stupid, they are dumb...big difference. An 18 yo can and will go buy a 1000 rr bike on the advice of salesman at a shop and more times than not, get hurt..you need a solid foundation to make a good decision.
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just throwing my 2 cents in but in Texas there already is a helmet law.
only if you are under 21

And yea, I support a graduated licensing program as well.
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I would vote against a helmet law that ment a solo rider had to wear a helmet.
I would be inclined to vote for a helment law that required there be at least ONE helmet on the bike for each rider LESS ONE.
Therfore two riders = minimum 1 helmet - and I am not stating it needs to be worn.
This would at least give a passenger the option, everytime.

I might also support a helmet law for those under 25.

Some states have helmet laws others do not- we have enough laws it supossed to be a free country.

I would repeal the bicycle helmet law what the hecks up with that.

I do not think you can pull the financial impact out of the issue when the population becomes large. Example seat belts perhaps with all the air bags the seat belt law could be removed too, but I would leave it due to possible cost impact on medical / insurance due to the large population it covers / protects.
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So should u be able to drive a car with out a seat belt also then?
Yes.

In many states, police are explicitly exempted from having to wear one. Since if they are injured their care is most definitely paid for by tax dollars, doesn't it make more sense to require them to wear protective equipment if the goal is to reduce spending?
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To those who oppose helmet laws answer me one question directly.

Who does a helmet law harm? How?

I'm not talking about the slippery slope responses. I'm not talking about the gubment banning fried chicken or motorcycling in general. Plain and simple, who does it harm and how?
The helmet law harms those who do not want to wear one.
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There should be no law requiring you to wear a helmet or any other safety gear. However your medical insurer should have the option to NOT cover injuries when not wearing safety gear, for example not covering a head injury when you were not wearing a helmet. An insurer should not have to cover you for YOUR failure to reduce risk.
+1, add to that no law requiring seat belts along with the hospital CAN refuse care if you are injured do to not utilizing available safety gear (car or motorcycle) and you do not have health insurance.
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This is the strongest argument by dictatorships and tyrannical leaders. Because to a smart person its very obvious, but to a stupid person well, they don't have a clue; and these types of leaders thrive off the fact that there is much more ignorance than intelligence around them. If you can't figure it out, then I am not the one to show you.
You never directly answered his question.

A helmet law does not not bother me because I wear a helmet all the time. The only way I would care is if someone told me I could NOT wear a helmet.

Oh, and I sent a email to my congresswoman and senators office asking the same thing. I could really give a less if they decided that everyone had to wear a helmet.
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A helmet law does not not bother me because I wear a helmet all the time. The only way I would care is if someone told me I could NOT wear a helmet.
Ah - so because it doesn't bother you, you're OK with it, but yet, you would have a problem if it prevented you from making a different choice.

Got it.

Do I really need to point out the hypocrisy in your view?
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Oh, and I sent a email to my congresswoman and senators office asking the same thing. I could really give a less if they decided that everyone had to wear a helmet.
Of course - because it wouldn't require you to make a different choice.
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+1, add to that no law requiring seat belts along with the hospital CAN refuse care if you are injured do to not utilizing available safety gear (car or motorcycle) and you do not have health insurance.
If what you're trying to say is that hospitals should be allowed to refuse care if you do not have the ability to pay, i have no problem with that.
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Has anyone here given any thought to the first responders (fire dept., paramedics, police) that they have to clean up the mess and sometimes risk their lives by conducting such work in the proximity of traffic?
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So should u be able to drive a car with out a seat belt also then?
I drive my motorcycle without a seat belt so, yeah! I also don't have a license plate on the front of my bike but I'm told I have to have one on my car.
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Has anyone here given any thought to the first responders (fire dept., paramedics, police) that they have to clean up the mess and sometimes risk their lives by conducting such work in the proximity of traffic?
Irrelevant to the discussion. Besides, if we're going to make laws affecting the behavior of people based upon how easy it makes things for the state, why don't we just toss the whole Constitution and let the state do whatever it wishes?

I mean, I'm positive the cops would find their job so much easier if they didn't have to worry about such pesky things as warrants, probable cause, etc...
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I drive my motorcycle without a seat belt so, yeah!
There have been legislators who have suggested requiring seat belts on bikes...
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I also don't have a license plate on the front of my bike but I'm told I have to have one on my car.
Shhh! Don't give them any ideas! Yes, a front plate could be required - and then we'd have to figure out where the to mount it.
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I think a helmet law is a good idea. Sometimes you have to protect people from their own ignorance.

There's a lot of talk about letting the stupid people die, but it's not the stupid people not wearing helmets (well, some ARE stupid). Most are just naive to what a head injury is like because they've never had one. Unfortunately, it's a good chance if they do experience one without a helmet, it'll be their last.
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I think a helmet law is a good idea. Sometimes you have to protect people from their own ignorance.
Why? What business is it of yours what someone else chooses to do?
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