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Old 06-13-2011, 05:38 PM   #21
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What kind of facts do you want? I have plenty of them.
1) I'm an adult
2) I have wrecked with and without helmets
3) I can make decisions for myself by myself
4) Our form of government was not set up to be a nanny state
5) I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time

What more facts do you need in order to form an opinion on whether or not there should be a law requiring the use of a helmet to operate a motorcycle?
go read the comment of the OP that health insurance is a red herring and my first reply and you will understand...
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Old 06-13-2011, 05:38 PM   #22
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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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He was not talking about Vehicle safety, db lol
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Old 06-13-2011, 05:38 PM   #23
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Oh , gtfo out with BF quotes.

OMG, look I can google quotes as well

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Give me a good reason why helmets shouldn't be required. The "I'm a big boy and I can determine what's best for me" doesn't hold water.
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I think my quote is quite fitting for you then.

Its chock full of wisdom.
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Give me a good reason why helmets shouldn't be required. The "I'm a big boy and I can determine what's best for me" doesn't hold water.
It doesn't? Then you should agree that fried chicken should be banned. Am I correct in that assumption?
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Give me a good reason why helmets shouldn't be required. The "I'm a big boy and I can determine what's best for me" doesn't hold water.
Because the gubermentz will suddenly decide that they could get away with helmet laws, and start coming after bikers... and then dogs sleeping with cats, utter pandemonium.

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It doesn't? Then you should agree that fried chicken should be banned. Am I correct in that assumption?
No, because its delicious. What harm would really come of a law saying you need to wear a helmet? really.
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go read the comment of the OP that health insurance is a red herring and my first reply and you will understand...
Gotcha.....I understand.
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It doesn't? Then you should agree that fried chicken should be banned. Am I correct in that assumption?
Traffic laws are not about what the individual thinks he's capable of. If you sit 100 people down in a room and ask the good drivers to raise their hands then 90 of them would do so. We all know that ratio would be false.
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Traffic laws are not about what the individual thinks he's capable of. If you sit 100 people down in a room and ask the good drivers to raise their hands then 90 of them would do so. We all know that ratio would be false.
How does NOT wearing a helmet put ANYONE in danger other than the person that chooses not to wear a helmet?
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Everyone should be forced to eat Tofu, because unhealthy foods can cause a heart attack and disable you, or kill you. Resulting in the government having to support your family or disability.
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How does NOT wearing a helmet put ANYONE in danger other than the person that chooses not to wear a helmet?
It's not all about danger but off the top of my head here ya go:
1. You get hit in the head/eye by something. You lose control of the bike. Your bike is now a 400lb moving roadblock.
2. Everyone participates in traffic and what you do effects the people behind/around you for miles. See #1.
3. Contrary to OP's opinion about medical costs, my/our insurance costs are higher because some other biker knocked himself retarded from not wearing a helmet.
4. There are idiots out there who don't wear a helmet because "it aint da law". Some of them are dead now. I knew at least 1 of them.
5. The government (the people) have the responsibility to make laws to protect it's citizens. Traffic laws aren't not a product of "big brother". Driving is a licensed activity. If you want to do it then you have to follow the rules even if you don't like it.
6. Back to my original comment - there's no good reason why you shouldn't.
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It's not all about danger but off the top of my head here ya go:
1. You get hit in the head/eye by something. You lose control of the bike. Your bike is now a 400lb moving roadblock.
2. Everyone participates in traffic and what you do effects the people behind/around you for miles. See #1.
3. Contrary to OP's opinion about medical costs, my/our insurance costs are higher because some other biker knocked himself retarded from not wearing a helmet.
4. There are idiots out there who don't wear a helmet because "it aint da law". Some of them are dead now. I knew at least 1 of them.
5. The government (the people) have the responsibility to make laws to protect it's citizens. Traffic laws aren't not a product of "big brother". Driving is a licensed activity. If you want to do it then you have to follow the rules even if you don't like it.
6. Back to my original comment - there's no good reason why you shouldn't.
1. If you have a heart attack while riding, you lose control of your bike. Your bike is now a 400 lb. moving roadblock.
2. Everyone participates in traffic and what you do effects the people behind/around you for miles, so if you are a fat slob you may not be able to see as much and may get too tired too quickly while riding.
3. Contrary to the OP's opinion about medical costs, obesity and heart failure causes my insurance to be higher.
4. There are idiots out there who dont eat tofu because "it aint da law". Some of them are dead now.
5. The government (the people) has a responsibility to make laws to protect its' citizens. Diet laws shouldn't be a product of "big brother". Infact eating should be a licensed activity.
6. Back to my original comment - there's no good reason why you shouldn't be forced by the goverment to eat healthy.

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1. If you have a heart attack while riding, you lose control of your bike. Your bike is now a 400 lb. moving roadblock.
2. Everyone participates in traffic and what you do effects the people behind/around you for miles, so if you are a fat slob you may not be able to see as much and may get too tired too quickly while riding.
3. Contrary to the OP's opinion about medical costs, obesity and heart failure causes my insurance to be higher.
4. There are idiots out there who dont eat tofu because "it aint da law". Some of them are dead now.
5. The government (the people) has a responsibility to make laws to protect its' citizens. Diet laws shouldn't be a product of "big brother". Infact eating should be a licensed activity.
6. Back to my original comment - there's no good reason why you shouldn't be forced by the goverment to eat healthy.

TOFU
Everyone eats, it's not optional. Not everyone drives.

Funny though.
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It's not all about danger but off the top of my head here ya go:
1. You get hit in the head/eye by something. You lose control of the bike. Your bike is now a 400lb moving roadblock.
2. Everyone participates in traffic and what you do effects the people behind/around you for miles. See #1.
3. Contrary to OP's opinion about medical costs, my/our insurance costs are higher because some other biker knocked himself retarded from not wearing a helmet.
4. There are idiots out there who don't wear a helmet because "it aint da law". Some of them are dead now. I knew at least 1 of them.
5. The government (the people) have the responsibility to make laws to protect it's citizens. Traffic laws aren't not a product of "big brother". Driving is a licensed activity. If you want to do it then you have to follow the rules even if you don't like it.
6. Back to my original comment - there's no good reason why you shouldn't.
1. Then you must be an advocate for a law that requires FULL FACED HELMET.
2. Not wearing a helmet doesn't effect those driving around me. Your #1 argument is weak at best.
3. My insurance costs go up because of people eating fried chicken. Which reminds me, you never answered my question about the fried chicken.
4. So what if they're dead? It was THEIR choice. I know many people that are dead now as a direct result of their diet. See #3
5. It is NOT the governments job to protect a citizen from themselves. If you think that, then you are sadly misinformed.
6. Being there is no good reason why one shouldn't and whether or not it should be law are two totally different things.
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Everyone eats, it's not optional. Not everyone drives.

Funny though.
Actually liquid diets are viable.

As is intravenous dieting.
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There should be no law requiring you to wear a helmet or any other safety gear. However your medical insurer should have the option to NOT cover injuries when not wearing safety gear, for example not covering a head injury when you were not wearing a helmet. An insurer should not have to cover you for YOUR failure to reduce risk.
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There should be no law requiring you to wear a helmet or any other safety gear. However your medical insurer should have the option to NOT cover injuries when not wearing safety gear, for example not covering a head injury when you were not wearing a helmet. An insurer should not have to cover you for YOUR failure to reduce risk.
Problem is the government pays for it then, which means we all do.

The actual law should say. Motorcyclists found to be riding without a helmet receive no medical attention.
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NO!!! It should NOT be law. As an adult I should be allowed to make decisions that effect my well being, NOT the government. There is ZERO justification on why it should be law.
So should u be able to drive a car with out a seat belt also then?
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