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Old 06-14-2011, 03:41 PM   #241
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So the government is not tasked with making traffic laws?
To ensure smooth flow with a minimum of risk, yes.

Explain exactly how my choice to wear a helmet (or not) affects the flow of traffic or puts others at risk.

We'll wait...

Consider this as well: How would you react to a law FORBIDDING you from wearing a helmet? Or perhaps one requiring that everything you wear be weatherproof - meaning yes, in the middle of August, you have to wear insulated and waterproof leathers....

After all, wearing the leather as well as being prepared for any possible weather condition would be far safer, right? I mean, it doesn't happen often, but there COULD be a freak rainstorm combined with a 60 degree drop in temperatures...
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Old 06-14-2011, 03:41 PM   #242
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So the government is not tasked with making traffic laws?
Any when they want us to ride trikes because stupid fall down?
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You don't know what my view of the world is.

Do you have an actual argument in favor of not requiring helmets other than "I don't wanna wear it" or "I wanna do what I wanna do?"
You didn't read a single thing that was said in here, did you?

Wearing a helmet, or choosing not to, doesn't directly affect anyone other than the person making the choice; therefore, it has no merit as a law.
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theres a law that we are required to wear clothes also, we should be able to ride naked... this thread will go on forever...
Again the clothing laws are for the protection of OTHERS not ourselves. keep up or GTFO
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theres a law that we are required to wear clothes also, we should be able to ride naked... this thread will go on forever...
No, there actually is not. There are only laws requiring your genitalia to be covered in public.

Other than a banana hammock or a g-string, you can legally ride naked. Yes, ladies can ride with the girls free of constriction if they so wish.
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Explain exactly how my choice to wear a helmet (or not) affects the flow of traffic or puts others at risk.

We'll wait...
You'll be waiting a lifetime. 12 pages in and people are still saying the same retarded .
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There's two different arguments going on here.

1. CAN the government make a law requiring helmets. Yes. What you do on a public roadway can be regulated by the government. This is the bottom line and nobody is gonna change that, no need to discuss liberty and justice for all or the Constitution.

2. SHOULD the government require the law. IMO yes. Traffic laws are meant to regulate traffic flow and promote safe operation of vehicles. Head injuries/fatality rates are higher due to motorcycle crashes where the rider is not wearing a helmet, so the requirement would serve the purpose.
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There's two different arguments going on here.

1. CAN the government make a law requiring helmets. Yes. What you do on a public roadway can be regulated by the government. This is the bottom line and nobody is gonna change that, no need to discuss liberty and justice for all or the Constitution.

2. SHOULD the government require the law. IMO yes. Traffic laws are meant to regulate traffic flow and promote safe operation of vehicles. Head injuries/fatality rates are higher due to motorcycle crashes where the rider is not wearing a helmet, so the requirement would serve the purpose.
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The 'can', ie:1 is not relevant to the thread/topic.

...now try answering the question posed to you, repeatedly... precisely how does the choice to wear or not wear a helmet directly impact traffic?
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There's two different arguments going on here.

1. CAN the government make a law requiring helmets. Yes. What you do on a public roadway can be regulated by the government. This is the bottom line and nobody is gonna change that, no need to discuss liberty and justice for all or the Constitution.

2. SHOULD the government require the law. IMO yes. Traffic laws are meant to regulate traffic flow and promote safe operation of vehicles. Head injuries/fatality rates are higher due to motorcycle crashes where the rider is not wearing a helmet, so the requirement would serve the purpose.
Actually you're about to accidentally make a good point here. Public ownership of the roads invites idiots to propose stupid laws based on the exact type of Neanderthal logic you are trying to invoke in your argument. Which is why I, personally, choose to be fully consistent and advocate private ownership of the roadways. I'll keep my tax dollars and pay tolls for the roads I choose to travel on.
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No, there's 1 The 'can', ie:1 is not relevant to the thread/topic.

...now try answering the question posed to you, repeatedly... precisely how does the choice to wear or not wear a helmet directly impact traffic?
It is relevant because people are stuck on this "cant tell me what to do" trip. Yes, you can be told what to do on public roadways. End.

I've already answered the question of how it directly impacts traffic but "traffic" is not the only purpose of traffic laws (AKA Texas Transportation Statutes). Registration and inspection stickers don't directly affect traffic but they are required.
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It is relevant because people are stuck on this "cant tell me what to do" trip. Yes, you can be told what to do on public roadways. End.

I've already answered the question of how it directly impacts traffic but "traffic" is not the only purpose of traffic laws (AKA Texas Transportation Statutes). Registration and inspection stickers don't directly affect traffic but they are required.
You're the one calling for a new law, the burden of proof lies squarely on your shoulders.
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Which is why I, personally, choose to be fully consistent and advocate private ownership of the roadways. I'll keep my tax dollars and pay tolls for the roads I choose to travel on.
Sound awesome. Build one and call it a "track". You can even charge people and call it a "trackday".
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Sound awesome. Build one and call it a "track". You can even charge people and call it a "trackday".
Sure, I'll pay for your roads and mine. Did you even read the entire post?
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