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Old 06-14-2011, 02:30 PM   #221
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:34 PM   #222
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So is crashing on parade laps. Godsuki told you not to do it. But did you listen? no! You wanted to be free. If there was a law against crashing during parade laps your would still be sitting in county right about now.
Sorry I couldn't will my bike into an upright position as I traveled across the canyon-like ruts track-side at turn 12. I guess it's my fault for not being born with instinctual knowledge of where the proper breaking point is for that turn. Need I point out that the parade lap that day was essentially a free for all with little to no restriction on the speeds of the herd of rookie riders participating. Even the novice group is more controlled. You know why? Because it's not safe for inexperienced riders to be let out on the track without limits. I bet you're first 3 laps at GSS were perfect though, so this doesn't apply to you. You geriatric .
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Sorry I couldn't will my bike into an upright position as I traveled across the canyon-like ruts track-side at turn 12. I guess it's my fault for not being born with instinctual knowledge of where the proper breaking point is for that turn. Need I point out that the parade lap that day was essentially a free for all with little to no restriction on the speeds of the herd of rookie riders participating. Even the novice group is more controlled. You know why? Because it's not safe for inexperienced riders to be let out on the track without limits. I bet you're first 3 laps at GSS were perfect though, so this doesn't apply to you. You geriatric .
Yeah, and Tim sent an instructor out on the track specifically for new riders to follow, not just track noobs. Did you miss the riders meeting?
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Yeah, and Tim sent an instructor out on the track specifically for new riders to follow, not just track noobs. Did you miss the riders meeting?
Yep. He was up there. Waaaaay up there. I was stuck behind a slower rider, by the time I was able to get around him I was atleast half a lap behind the rest of the pack. You know just as well as I do that many people said the pace of the parade laps that day were excessive.
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Yep. He was up there. Waaaaay up there. I was stuck behind a slower rider, by the time I was able to get around him I was atleast half a lap behind the rest of the pack. You know just as well as I do that many people said the pace of the parade laps that day were excessive.
I would have stayed behind the slower rider then. I'm pretty sure the instructor designated for new riders started at the back of the grid. Maybe you were chasing the wrong instructor
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I would have stayed behind the slower rider then. I'm pretty sure the instructor designated for new riders started at the back of the grid. Maybe you were chasing the wrong instructor
If I could get a redo I would have. Just trying to catch up with the pack so that I would have some idea of the line I was supposed to be on.

What does this have to do with the OP?
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I can't believe some of you guys are still on this "the govbment cant tell me what to do" thing.

You're operating a vehicle on public streets paid for by the public. So yeah, you can be told what you can and cannot do on said streets.
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Sorry I couldn't will my bike into an upright position as I traveled across the canyon-like ruts track-side at turn 12. I guess it's my fault for not being born with instinctual knowledge of where the proper breaking point is for that turn. Need I point out that the parade lap that day was essentially a free for all with little to no restriction on the speeds of the herd of rookie riders participating. Even the novice group is more controlled. You know why? Because it's not safe for inexperienced riders to be let out on the track without limits. I bet you're first 3 laps at GSS were perfect though, so this doesn't apply to you. You geriatric .
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Yep. He was up there. Waaaaay up there. I was stuck behind a slower rider, by the time I was able to get around him I was atleast half a lap behind the rest of the pack. You know just as well as I do that many people said the pace of the parade laps that day were excessive.
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If I could get a redo I would have. Just trying to catch up with the pack so that I would have some idea of the line I was supposed to be on.

What does this have to do with the OP?


All of what you are describing where YOUR choices. If you would have understoood that you were out of your limits YOU would have slowed down. If YOU had not passed the "slower" rider, you probably would have not been over YOUR head.

Who cares how fast the pace is, YOU are out there on YOUR bike. YOU decide how YOU are gonna ride. I get passed up left and right on novice, I understand I am just not there yet. Perhaps YOU should have done the same.


I don't know what this thread is about, but your comments just sound like you are making so many excuses for your choices and blaming other people. Surely making case for the rest of the people that don't wreck on parade laps to have to be watched like babies, because one person could not regulate themselves accordingly. In a way, it's people like you that eventually bring about this kinda laws to be considered...Interesting.
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I can't believe some of you guys are still on this "the govbment cant tell me what to do" thing.

You're operating a vehicle on public streets paid for by the public. So yeah, you can be told what you can and cannot do on said streets.
Insofar as it affects other drivers, I agree.

However, in the case of a helmet, do you have an actual argument in favor of helmet laws, or does your entire position come down to "Daddy Government said so, and that's all I need to know".

I realize this may destroy your simplistic and narrow view of the world, but there are still some people left in this country that put their freedom ahead of the government's desires.
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Those of us who are intelligent lost any respect for you way back on the sea wall thread. You are a douch bag hypocrite. You do remember starting a thread about wanting to ride lid less so ho could see your dumb ? Some said it was your choice to do so. I was one of them. I'm thinking now that you do not make rational decisions and my need the gov's assistance. I'm sure you are getting some form of it anyway since you are going to school here and are not a citizen.
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Insofar as it affects other drivers, I agree.

However, in the case of a helmet, do you have an actual argument in favor of helmet laws, or does your entire position come down to "Daddy Government said so, and that's all I need to know".

I realize this may destroy your simplistic and narrow view of the world, but there are still some people left in this country that put their freedom ahead of the government's desires.
You don't know what my view of the world is.

Do you have an actual argument in favor of not requiring helmets other than "I don't wanna wear it" or "I wanna do what I wanna do?"
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All of what you are describing where YOUR choices. If you would have understoood that you were out of your limits YOU would have slowed down. If YOU had not passed the "slower" rider, you probably would have not been over YOUR head.

Who cares how fast the pace is, YOU are out there on YOUR bike. YOU decide how YOU are gonna ride. I get passed up left and right on novice, I understand I am just not there yet. Perhaps YOU should have done the same.


I don't know what this thread is about, but your comments just sound like you are making so many excuses for your choices and blaming other people. Surely making case for the rest of the people that don't wreck on parade laps to have to be watched like babies, because one person could not regulate themselves accordingly. In a way, it's people like you that eventually bring about this kinda laws to be considered...Interesting.
Not making excuses. I made a rookie mistake my first time on the track. No one's fault but my own. In case you hadn't noticed Bevo's been calling me out on that for a while, even though he had absolutely zero knowledge of the circumstances of my accident other than it happened on the parade lap. I can take the ball busting (been hearing it since April), but at some point you've got to stand up for yourself. I realized I was going too fast and couldn't make the turn, so I tried to ride off into the grass, so that I did not put any one else at risk. Didn't realize it was so rutted up out there. I learned my lesson, hoping to be out there in novice at msrh in sept.
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Do you have an actual argument in favor of not requiring helmets other than "I don't wanna wear it" or "I wanna do what I wanna do?"
The argument is that the gov should not be tasked with making that decision. You really have not picked up on that yet?
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The argument is that the gov should not be tasked with making that decision. You really have not picked up on that yet?
So the government is not tasked with making traffic laws?
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Not making excuses. I made a rookie mistake my first time on the track. No one's fault but my own. In case you hadn't noticed Bevo's been calling me out on that for a while, even though he had absolutely zero knowledge of the circumstances of my accident other than it happened on the parade lap. I can take the ball busting (been hearing it since April), but at some point you've got to stand up for yourself. I realized I was going too fast and couldn't make the turn, so I tried to ride off into the grass, so that I did not put any one else at risk. Didn't realize it was so rutted up out there. I learned my lesson, hoping to be out there in novice at msrh in sept.
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You don't know what my view of the world is.
I can only go by what you have demonstrated, and so far, all you've had to say is essentially, "Government says so - so do it."
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Do you have an actual argument in favor of not requiring helmets other than "I don't wanna wear it" or "I wanna do what I wanna do?"
Nope - and the great part is, I don't have to.

You see, the way our nation is structured, the people may do whatever the they want unless it is specifically forbidden. Hence, I do not need to justify any choices I make which do not violate a law.

The onus is not upon me to prove why I wish to do something which does not directly cause harm to another. The onus is upon you to demonstrate why my harmless actions should be illegal.
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