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Old 06-12-2011, 11:43 AM   #21
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very true.... but a helmet law would go further to correcting that problem more so than a "cooler" looking full face
Sorry Dude, I'm personally sick and tired of the government forcing it's citizens to conform to standards for their own personal well being. I'd like to make my own choices in that regard thank you very much. It is a far cry from taking someone's ability to make their own choices regarding safety and having the market provide an appealing alternative for specific groups within the population to increase the use of products that make their lives safer.
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Sorry Dude, I'm personally sick and tired of the government forcing it's citizens to conform to standards for their own personal well being. I'd like to make my own choices in that regard thank you very much. It is a far cry from taking someone's ability to make their own choices regarding safety and having the market provide an appealing alternative for specific groups within the population to increase the use of products that make their lives safer.

you can't about taxes going to peoples medical bills and cry freedom at the same time. I look at helmets with the same safety standards as seat belts.
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I think that a lot of people just want to live their lives with as much freedom as possible, especially in the MC world, but just don't get the concept of trying to reduce the risks of taking risks...
No. It is all about being a rebel. This "ride free" or "loud pipes save lives" bullshit is old and tired. Everybody wants to be an outlaw.

It was amazing to be able to spot how many ROT rally riders were obviously new to the world of motorcycling... Folks who'd spent a lifetime of savings on a commercialized "false" dream. So they roll in on their shiny, bugless rented bikes... They are stubbornly sold on following through with it. And why not? Easy Rider was that great of a movie... so they try to live that life in a weekend.

It is the same problem that the sportbike community has with our young'uns strapping their lids to the side of the bike. Inexperience runs rampant at three stages in the average person's life... early 20's - midlife crisis - newly retired.

I won't be hating on the sheeple being led to the slaughterhouse. RIP to all of our fallen riders just the same.
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Old 06-12-2011, 11:52 AM   #24
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you can't about taxes going to peoples medical bills and cry freedom at the same time. I look at helmets with the same safety standards as seat belts.
Yes I can. The system needs to be changed where tax payers don't have to pay for other people's bad choices. Of course, that's a pipe dream unless this country goes through an extreme change.
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you can't about taxes going to peoples medical bills and cry freedom at the same time. I look at helmets with the same safety standards as seat belts.
Exactly. It's bad habits that get people killed. I'm not uncomfortable wearing my helmet at all. Even when its hot.
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No. It is all about being a rebel. This "ride free" or "loud pipes save lives" bullshit is old and tired. Everybody wants to be an outlaw.

It was amazing to be able to spot how many ROT rally riders were obviously new to the world of motorcycling... Folks who'd spent a lifetime of savings on a commercialized "false" dream. So they roll in on their shiny, bugless rented bikes... They are stubbornly sold on following through with it. And why not? Easy Rider was that great of a movie... so they try to live that life in a weekend.

It is the same problem that the sportbike community has with our young'uns strapping their lids to the side of the bike. Inexperience runs rampant at three stages in the average person's life... early 20's - midlife crisis - newly retired.

I won't be hating on the sheeple being led to the slaughterhouse. RIP to all of our fallen riders just the same.
Being a "rebel" and an outlaw are not necessarily the same thing. If I don't want to conform to society's status quo, but don't actually break any laws, I could still legitimately be considered a "rebel", and the choice to do so should never be taken away. I don't think it is a hard concept to understand that taking risks are often fun and/or provide a thrill, but the consequences can so often be underestimated.
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Being a "rebel" and an outlaw are not necessarily the same thing. If I don't want to conform to society's status quo, but don't actually break any laws, I could still legitimately be considered a "rebel", and the choice to do so should never be taken away. I don't think it is a hard concept to understand that taking risks are often fun and/or provide a thrill, but the consequences can so often be underestimated.
Yet people are dropping like flies out there...
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Yet people are dropping like flies out there...
Your not making any sense to me, since you appear to be arguing but your statement doesn't contradict my statement. Tell you what, I'll just blame it on me and converse with someone else that I can more effectively communicate with. Sorry for all the big words, not trying to show off. I think I'm getting a little manic.
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Your not making any sense to me, since you appear to be arguing but your statement doesn't contradict my statement. Tell you what, I'll just blame it on me and converse with someone else that I can more effectively communicate with. Sorry for all the big words, not trying to show off. I think I'm getting a little manic.
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I would support a helmet law returning.

sometimes people need a law just for their own good ie: seatbelt laws.
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Encouragement is the way to go on so many things, helmets especially. Trying to tell people "you have to ____" usually just puts people on the defensive. We've tried the helmet law, and what I saw was large numbers of pudding cups - halfshell helmets that neither cover the likely impact areas nor have any real protection value. This was simply the lawmakers saying "well, we made a law. Happy now?". I say, it didn't work.

Now, take Billy Bob Biker at the Bar. Should he show up and see his fellow Harley riders wearing full face helmets, in black 'n orange with HD logos, eagle icons and whatnot - guess what, now Billy Bob wants one too. It's what all the rebels and outlaws are doing thesedays, right?

Peer pressure will do what "them stinkin' rules from those yazoos up on capit'l hill" won't.
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Encouragement is the way to go on so many things, helmets especially. Trying to tell people "you have to ____" usually just puts people on the defensive. We've tried the helmet law, and what I saw was large numbers of pudding cups - halfshell helmets that neither cover the likely impact areas nor have any real protection value. This was simply the lawmakers saying "well, we made a law. Happy now?". I say, it didn't work.

Now, take Billy Bob Biker at the Bar. Should he show up and see his fellow Harley riders wearing full face helmets, in black 'n orange with HD logos, eagle icons and whatnot - guess what, now Billy Bob wants one too. It's what all the rebels and outlaws are doing thesedays, right?

Peer pressure will do what "them stinkin' rules from those yazoos up on capit'l hill" won't.
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Encouragement is the way to go on so many things, helmets especially. Trying to tell people "you have to ____" usually just puts people on the defensive. We've tried the helmet law, and what I saw was large numbers of pudding cups - halfshell helmets that neither cover the likely impact areas nor have any real protection value. This was simply the lawmakers saying "well, we made a law. Happy now?". I say, it didn't work.

Now, take Billy Bob Biker at the Bar. Should he show up and see his fellow Harley riders wearing full face helmets, in black 'n orange with HD logos, eagle icons and whatnot - guess what, now Billy Bob wants one too. It's what all the rebels and outlaws are doing thesedays, right?

Peer pressure will do what "them stinkin' rules from those yazoos up on capit'l hill" won't.
Unfortunately peer pressure works both ways and as current flows where it has the least resistance, so to do the Billy Bob Bikers out there. I believe that what people wear to protect them selves is based on an epiphany, thought of self preservation, self worth, upbringing and to an extent peer pressure.
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I would support a helmet law returning.

sometimes people need a law just for their own good ie: seatbelt laws.
We don't need any more best interest laws. Where does it stop?
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The very bottom line here is that if your not intelligent enough to take advantage of certain safety measures, such as wearing a helmet, it is on you! Unless you are completely retarded, the individual MUST have some kind of idea that their head isn't harder than pavement. It makes me sick to my stomach that people feel like it is the government's job to be a life coach. WTF ever happened to personal responsibility for oneself.
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+1

And I hate it that it has come to this. I do not like being in a nanny state but I am tired of seeing people not realizing the potential severity of their actions. Just because I and Grimace understand it... it doesn't mean others do. Not too many folks get on a bike with the intent of crashing. It just takes one crash to end it all.

I even thought I was invincible at one time. I only had on a helmet and jeans for years. It wasn't until I came to MotoHouston a few years ago that I even thought twice about gear. I used to incorrectly think that the fellas wearing gear just wanted race and I didn't want to be that guy. I love racing but I have never raced on the street other than a few quick bursts with my dad. I admittedly ride fast but I do all of that solo when I feel it to be safer. I dont like jail too much. The point is... I saw no need for a jacket or gloves since I didn't race on the streets.

Thanks to MotoHouston for getting some gear on me before it was too late. 11 yrs gearless/5 yrs geared up.
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