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Old 06-01-2011, 07:11 AM   #1
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I've wanted one of those since they 1st released the concept a couple of years ago.
Knowing how much stupid fun my 450 tard is, I can only imagine it in GP form.
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The concept has been around over here on this side of the pond for several years. Look at WERA SuperSingles. Roland Sands has built a lot of them. They were, at first, pitched as a low-cost racing alternative, but we all know that there's no such thing as low cost racing. Still, since these are built on dirt bike/motard platforms, the basic machine can be had quite cheaply relative to building and racing a 600, 750 or 1000.

People over here in the states are too stupid to have fun, though, and are fixated on "bigger is better". That's my primary theory as to why the 450 SS class hasn't really boomed here. Shame, too.

Google Roland Sands and you'll find some pix of his machines. No need to have him build you a bike, though, as it's nothing more than shortened suspension, 17 inch wheels, and bodywork on a dirt bike.

Here's an RSD KTM 450 SS bike for example:

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^^^I remember when Ride Smart started doing the 450s and immediately wanted one! Those suckers are really nice and look like a whole -pile of fun.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:06 AM   #5
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I have fond memories of helping a friend of mine with a big single race bike, a Rotax powered Tigcraft and a Suzuki DR800 based machine.

The starter packed up at one meeting and we had to try and bump start it
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:07 AM   #6
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The concept has been around over here on this side of the pond for several years. Look at WERA SuperSingles. Roland Sands has built a lot of them. They were, at first, pitched as a low-cost racing alternative, but we all know that there's no such thing as low cost racing. Still, since these are built on dirt bike/motard platforms, the basic machine can be had quite cheaply relative to building and racing a 600, 750 or 1000.

People over here in the states are too stupid to have fun, though, and are fixated on "bigger is better". That's my primary theory as to why the 450 SS class hasn't really boomed here. Shame, too.

Google Roland Sands and you'll find some pix of his machines. No need to have him build you a bike, though, as it's nothing more than shortened suspension, 17 inch wheels, and bodywork on a dirt bike.

Here's an RSD KTM 450 SS bike for example:

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Oh man that thing looks lush
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my friend started building one...I haven't seen any progress pics on it lately

he might have decided to keep it cafe racer style too.

here is one of his teaser pics
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my friend started building one...I haven't seen any progress pics on it lately

he might have decided to keep it cafe racer style too.

here is one of his teaser pics
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that looks sweet
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ya, my buddy posted some new pics...it looks like he's decided to go cafe racer with it:
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This is a class I'd love to get involved in, but it just doesn't seem to exist. I have to imagine that another big piece of the puzzle is how much custom work is required to build a raceable bike: cut down forks, 1-off bodywork and tanks. At least with a 600 you can get ready-made track plastics and grid yourself.

If there were more companies offering reasonably priced kits, I think this would be a better deal. The cheapest I've found to convert my SXV to a gp-style bike was ~$4g. $4g + $4g for the bike.............., I might as well race a 600 if "cheap" was the goal.
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This is a class I'd love to get involved in, but it just doesn't seem to exist.
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Look at WERA SuperSingles.
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it would not be hard at all to build, swap a usd front end off of any sportbike, penske makes a rear shock specifically for the application, swap a rear wheel so you can get a 160 tire at least, mount up some rearsets using adapter plates, and make some mounts for bodywork and your basically done. its all easy the most expensive part would be the shock but i can guarantee that i could make a sportbike shock work with adjusting the mount on the frame and building some dogbones
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I guess I should have defined "exist" as "run at a track I can drive to and back in one day." I really don't feel like driving all the way to Barber (closest WERA event I know of) just to use a bike. Kinda defeats the cost-effectiveness of the class.
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it would not be hard at all to build, swap a usd front end off of any sportbike, penske makes a rear shock specifically for the application, swap a rear wheel so you can get a 160 tire at least, mount up some rearsets using adapter plates, and make some mounts for bodywork and your basically done. its all easy the most expensive part would be the shock but i can guarantee that i could make a sportbike shock work with adjusting the mount on the frame and building some dogbones


Assume. So its a cheap class for professional machinists.
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the front end would be easy, all you need is a press or you could get lucky and find some tapered bearings that would swap over if the stem was the right length. the plates could be made yourself with drill press and a grinder as well as the dog bones, the frame would have to have the barckets cut off and new brackets tigged on. I may have to build one of these after i get done with my gs1100
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the front end would be easy, all you need is a press or you could get lucky and find some tapered bearings that would swap over if the stem was the right length. the plates could be made yourself with drill press and a grinder as well as the dog bones, the frame would have to have the barckets cut off and new brackets tigged on. I may have to build one of these after i get done with my gs1100
Awesome. So its a cheap class for a hobby machinist/welder.
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