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Old 06-01-2011, 05:31 PM   #41
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Agreed, these guys are telling me what they already know, what I want to learn on my own
People aren't talking about minor issues. A lot of the concerns posted are about people ending up in the hospital and bike parts listed on C/L. I can't imagine why anyone would want to learn that sort of thing the hard way.

And the weight lifting analogy is garbage. You want to get involved with the most seasoned track riders you can find. They have learned costly and painful lessons that if you have more than two IQ points to rub together will be extremely valuable to a new track rider. I'm relatively new to the track experience as well. To this point I have met plenty of salty dogs in the pits and not a single one was intimidating or unfriendly. Every single one of them is helpful to a fault. They will help guide the ignorant away from painful choices and provide a cornucopia of valuable information about your bike, your gear, and possibly your riding.
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Suspension is everything..... Specially at the track, i cant imagine anybody doing track days without setting up their suspension first..... It's a safety issue imo!

The first thing i do whenever i get a new bike is to adjust the suspension, the handling changes dramatically and the bike feels a lot better than with stock settings!
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I'd just hate to see 9 people shaking their head because someone has to be that single person that crashed the bike and it costs $$$$$$$$$ to fix it one time.
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People aren't talking about minor issues. A lot of the concerns posted are about people ending up in the hospital ..... I can't imagine why anyone would want to learn that sort of thing the hard way...And the weight lifting analogy is garbage.... if you have more than two IQ points to rub together will be extremely valuable to a new track rider...To this point I have met plenty of salty dogs in the pits and not a single one was intimidating or unfriendly...
I appreciate your input and everyone elses, I guess I have the idea of track riding all wrong. I didn't know you had to go to the wall first day, I also didn't know you had to do everything to your bike the first ride out.

Geez thats an aweful lot, now that I see it from you guys and how when you goto the track you already have that petrfect bike all done up, the perfect gear to go with it, and there are so many willing to come over and help you out. Just seems like no fun! I thought it was about learning, comradery, and getting better as time goes by, along with your bike getting better as time goes by, shew!!!! You guys saved me a big headache, thank you!!!

So as stated before, lets end this thread, seeing I'm to IMO for it anyhow. I'd hate to get another track riders panties into a bunch hahaha .
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I'd just hate to see 9 people shaking their head because someone has to be that single person that crashed the bike and it costs $$$$$$$$$ to fix it one time.
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When you go to the shooting range, you want to make sure the scope on your rifle is calibrated correctly before shooting, it doesnt matter if you are a pro sharp shooter or a beginner, if you do not calibrate it correctly you will be off target and wasting a lot of bullets and time trying to figure out how to get your shots on target.... Same deal with bikes, if you dont set up your suspension you will be wondering the whole time why the guy in front of you keep going into and coming out of the corner faster than you and you are on a much better bike than him..... If you havent set up your suspension yet i would suggest taking it to Patrick, it would be the best $20 you will ever spend on your bike!
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When you go to the shooting range, you want to make sure the scope on your rifle is calibrated correctly before shooting, it doesnt matter if you are a pro sharp shooter or a beginner, if you do not calibrate it correctly you will be off target and wasting a lot of bullets and time trying to figure out how to get your shots on target.... Same deal with bikes, if you dont set up your suspension you will be wondering the whole time why the guy in front of you keep going into and coming out of the corner faster than you and you are on a much better bike than him..... If you havent set up your suspension yet i would suggest taking it to Patrick, it would be the best $20 you will ever spend on your bike!
If it's your first few trackdays it will have nothing to do with suspension
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I appreciate your input and everyone elses, I guess I have the idea of track riding all wrong. I didn't know you had to go to the wall first day, I also didn't know you had to do everything to your bike the first ride out.

Geez thats an aweful lot, now that I see it from you guys and how when you goto the track you already have that petrfect bike all done up, the perfect gear to go with it, and there are so many willing to come over and help you out. Just seems like no fun! I thought it was about learning, comradery, and getting better as time goes by, along with your bike getting better as time goes by, shew!!!! You guys saved me a big headache, thank you!!!

So as stated before, lets end this thread, seeing I'm to IMO for it anyhow. I'd hate to get another track riders panties into a bunch hahaha .
You're welcome. Now go be dumb somewhere else.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:03 PM   #49
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So as stated before, lets end this thread, seeing I'm to IMO for it anyhow. I'd hate to get another track riders panties into a bunch hahaha .
Isn't the whole point of this thread to become a track rider?
Now you're literally laughing at the person you want to become.
Awesome. Now you'll DEFINITELY get people to ride your bike for 2 grand.

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Old 06-01-2011, 09:38 PM   #51
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:02 PM   #52
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You're welcome. Now go be dumb somewhere else.
The way I see it, this is Colonel's thread, if you don't like the "dumb" ideas he has, it should be YOU that goes elsewhere.
Not everybody goes to the track with the idea they have to go faster, faster, faster.
Some people go to the track because they want to improve their skills and learn more about performance riding in a controlled environment. If a person has the skills to push their bike VERY hard, then having the suspension correctly calibrated and adjusted will make a big difference.
For most ordinary mortals, the factory suspension will take them a long ways before they need to worry about just the right springs or perfect adjustment. Only a few will have the skills to outride a modern bike, so why not let the man take to the track without the superior, "I have been to the track and I know best" attitude?
And calling him dumb, right after you tell him how helpful everyone at the track is kinda sends a mixed message doesn't it?
I suppoese if he doesn't immediately think you are absolutely right then he is "dumb".
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The way I see it, this is Colonel's thread, if you don't like the "dumb" ideas he has, it should be YOU that goes elsewhere.
Not everybody goes to the track with the idea they have to go faster, faster, faster.
Some people go to the track because they want to improve their skills and learn more about performance riding in a controlled environment. If a person has the skills to push their bike VERY hard, then having the suspension correctly calibrated and adjusted will make a big difference.
For most ordinary mortals, the factory suspension will take them a long ways before they need to worry about just the right springs or perfect adjustment. Only a few will have the skills to outride a modern bike, so why not let the man take to the track without the superior, "I have been to the track and I know best" attitude?
And calling him dumb, right after you tell him how helpful everyone at the track is kinda sends a mixed message doesn't it?
I suppoese if he doesn't immediately think you are absolutely right then he is "dumb".
my thoughts exactly
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The way I see it, this is Colonel's thread, if you don't like the "dumb" ideas he has, it should be YOU that goes elsewhere.
Not everybody goes to the track with the idea they have to go faster, faster, faster.
Some people go to the track because they want to improve their skills and learn more about performance riding in a controlled environment. If a person has the skills to push their bike VERY hard, then having the suspension correctly calibrated and adjusted will make a big difference.
For most ordinary mortals, the factory suspension will take them a long ways before they need to worry about just the right springs or perfect adjustment. Only a few will have the skills to outride a modern bike, so why not let the man take to the track without the superior, "I have been to the track and I know best" attitude?
And calling him dumb, right after you tell him how helpful everyone at the track is kinda sends a mixed message doesn't it?
I suppoese if he doesn't immediately think you are absolutely right then he is "dumb".
Nope. It's the flippant rejection of the basic advice that makes him dumb.

I'm not talking about being so fast that the OEM suspension just can't keep up with your awesomeness. I'm talking about basic safety. Some people, especially the heavier guys, are already outside the bounds of what the stock springs can compensate for no matter how much adjustment is made. Other guys, like myself (depending on bike), are too light. At that point the bike will do very unnerving things at NOVICE level track paces. My CBR introduced me to the concrete very early on for not following this simple advice that other riders gave me. The bike was flaky in turns (this never showed up in a single day of street riding btw) and I didn't get any confidence in myself or it - end result - smash on my second TD. Except I did it to a $6k bike that only I own and not a brand new liter bike with a hefty price tag that 9 other people are now crying about.

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When you go to the shooting range, you want to make sure the scope on your rifle is calibrated correctly before shooting, it doesnt matter if you are a pro sharp shooter or a beginner, if you do not calibrate it correctly you will be off target and wasting a lot of bullets and time trying to figure out how to get your shots on target.... Same deal with bikes, if you dont set up your suspension you will be wondering the whole time why the guy in front of you keep going into and coming out of the corner faster than you and you are on a much better bike than him..... If you havent set up your suspension yet i would suggest taking it to Patrick, it would be the best $20 you will ever spend on your bike!
Suspension is not that critical for your first couple of track days in the novice class. Usually in the first session you stay behind the instructor and it's a "slow" pace. During the second session you usually don't even pass other riders. The pace gradually picks up as the day goes on. It's very rare that anyone even comes close to the bike's limits in their first novice track day.
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Suspension is not that critical for your first couple of track days in the novice class. Usually in the first session you stay behind the instructor and it's a "slow" pace. During the second session you usually don't even pass other riders. The pace gradually picks up as the day goes on. It's very rare that anyone even comes close to the bike's limits in their first novice track day.
You're right....for one trackday. However, that's also assuming that the rider is in the range between somewhat lighter and somewhat heavier than what the bike was sprung for. If you take an Aaron, and put him on a stone stock '04 gsxr 600 (sprung for a 160 lb rider), he can EASILY bottom that bike out on a first trackday if he picks up the pace at all. Conversily, you take a Kib, and put him on a '08 CBR 600 (sprung for a 200 lb rider) and he could EASILY wash the front because the front suspension doesn't compress at all.
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