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Old 06-03-2011, 11:01 AM   #41
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This may sound crazy to some, but Id rather see a noob on a zx-14 than a 10r
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:23 AM   #42
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This may sound crazy to some, but Id rather see a noob on a zx-14 than a 10r

Call me dumb for now, but what's a noob and why is that?
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:29 AM   #43
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newby new rider. Its better to be a noob than a squid. and I agree the zx-14 demands respect where the zx10 will lay dormant until you make a mistake then it will bite the F*&^ out of you.
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Beginners can't start on a liter? Well over a year? Where did you come up with this time frame? I think I know who is really special.
So you think a new rider can/should start on a liter? I don't get it...
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:34 PM   #45
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You are doomed from the start... If I learned anything by majoring in psychology,

Lol - the first thing you should have learned is that people major in psychology because they are trying to figure out their own issues and problems.
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You are doomed from the start... If I learned anything by majoring in psychology,

Lol - the first thing you should have learned is that people major in psychology because they are trying to figure out their own issues and problems.
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So you think a new rider can/should start on a liter? I don't get it...
As a matter of fact I do. I never said they "should" do anything.IMO it's got more to do with the rider than the bike. Stupid hurts and people wreck 250's all the time. I know guys who started on liter or bigger and have not been down. I also feel "your" time frame for moving up is BS. A year? LOL. Where do you get a year from? Do the number of miles matter or just the months?
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after riding liter bike for a while....i actually want to get a 600 now........i weight 130lb so....
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my suggestions are....

1. if you are just trying to save gas on your daily commute and make a switch to 2 wheels then "comfort" will be your top priority, in this case a vfr or fz will do the trick, i dont think the size of the motor matters as much as your comfort specially riding to and from work.

2. if you are looking for a toy to ride around town during weekends and not thinking about track days or doing twisties at triple digits, then your priority should be "your wants".... get that bike you have always wanted..... it doesnt matter if its a literbike or a 600cc, specially with the new breed of literbikes, most of them come with a mode selector so you can choose the power delivery behavior!

3. if you are looking to do some serious riding and you dont have any skills yet, then your priority should be your actual "needs"..... get something agile, easy to throw into a turn, and work on your entry/exit speed until you get comfortable enough to upgrade to a literbike. A 600cc is very easy to maneuver and very unforgiving, perfect tool to learn and improve your skills!

Just a thought.... i rather be the guy riding the out of a 600cc than the guy on a literbike that doesnt have a clue of how to ride the bigger bike! Just go to pp1 next wed night and check out the tires of most literbikes out there and i guarantee you almost 70% of them still have the "whole chickens" on their tires... and the funniest thing is that those are the same riders that talk about how fast they are and they dont even know they have a pro racer right next to them quietly laughing his off listening to their stupidity.....
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after riding liter bike for a while....i actually want to get a 600 now........i weight 130lb so....
good thinking.... try going to 190/55s first and see if it helps before making the switch i lost about 30 lbs very quickly and now i really have to work harder to get the bike to turn, so every time i go out there it's a real work out for me lol
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good thinking.... try going to 190/55s first and see if it helps before making the switch i lost about 30 lbs very quickly and now i really have to work harder to get the bike to turn, so every time i go out there it's a real work out for me lol
Why? Countersteering is your friend... if I can flick my heavy bike in and out the lines on the freeway at 65, you should easily be able on that light bike...
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Why? Countersteering is your friend... if I can flick my heavy bike in and out the lines on the freeway at 65, you should easily be able on that light bike...
at 185lbs the extra weight just made it a lot easier to handle the bike specially if you are trying to turn the 1098 at a high rate of speed, the frame is so stable that it does take some effort to get it to turn. At 160lbs now, i can get the bike to turn without a problem but it just take a bit more effort to get the same job done.

are you talking about 65 years old or mph?

at 65 mph i have no issues at all, i can jump on a stretched busa and still zig zag through traffic very comfortably, it is only at higher speeds that i feel my weight disadvantage.
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I majored in psychology because I wanted to get through undergrad as quick as possible, but thanks for trying.
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good thinking.... try going to 190/55s first and see if it helps before making the switch
If he's got an R1, it should already have a 190/55 on the back. Do you have something wider than that on it? If so, then yes. Narrowing up the rear will help the initial flick/turn-in a bit, but be sure to adjust the rear suspension height to compensate for any possible changes in geometry from losing height when changing tire size. I've been running 180/55 on my 996 Ducs for years instead of the original 190/55.
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If he's got an R1, it should already have a 190/55 on the back. Do you have something wider than that on it? If so, then yes. Narrowing up the rear will help the initial flick/turn-in a bit, but be sure to adjust the rear suspension height to compensate for any possible changes in geometry from losing height when changing tire size. I've been running 180/55 on my 996 Ducs for years instead of the original 190/55.
Initially i thought he was running on 190/55s as well but on one of his pm he mentioned that he was running 190/50s instead, dont know why because most literbikes comes with a taller profile rear tire to help with the handling a bit.
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Initially i thought he was running on 190/55s as well but on one of his pm he mentioned that he was running 190/50s instead, dont know why because most literbikes comes with a taller profile rear tire to help with the handling a bit.
Gotcha! That makes sense. Typo on my part too. The originals were 190 50 on the 996...
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You are doomed from the start... If I learned anything by majoring in psychology, its that virtually every person out there thinks they are special and better than everyone else. Beginners do not start on liter bikes, not to mention a 1,400cc monster. Unless you have been riding for well over a year, then you have no business riding anything bigger than a 600. But wait, you're special, go buy the ZX14.
My first bike was a liter bike, followed by a busa and then eventually back to a liter bike. My only bike incidents occurred on track as an advanced rider.

It's not about the displacement, it's about the discipline using the throttle and knowing your limits.
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My first bike was a liter bike, followed by a busa and then eventually back to a liter bike. My only bike incidents occurred on track as an advanced rider.

It's not about the displacement, it's about the discipline using the throttle and knowing your limits.
busa/zx14's are a lot less violent in their power delievery. Hence why Id rather a newb be on one of those rather a 1k.
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busa/zx14's are a lot less violent in their power delievery. Hence why Id rather a newb be on one of those rather a 1k.
The bigger bikes do seem to be more more forgiving. I had more close calls on my 600's than the Busa.
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