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Old 10-03-2006, 09:06 PM   #21
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better be one of the hi tech fence with giga billion volts running through it. All that electricity is gonna cost more than the illegal alien. it, why not put a mine field that is gonna put a good impression not crossed the border illegally. Or, designated as a proving ground for missles, bombs, or ammunition test field. Put up a fence, there will always be someone cut it through or dig a tunnel underneath it.
Put the fence, drog lords will chip in, so when we are building the fence we make their tunnels better.
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HA! Make those who are leaching on welfare build it? Prisoners? Except, I don't know of a single poltician with the nards to pull that off.
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Hey Charles, i got a pick and a shovel you can borrow. I can even give you some gatorade so you won't dehydrate.
I know why you feel so strongly against this issue imean i know you personally hold an illegal close to your heart. but you don't have to dig at me when you get pissy about people bringing up an issue of 30 million people leeching off the system.......
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lol, believe it or not, I wasn't pissy Charles, I'm just messing around, when I replaied I was eagerly waiting for your response. :laughing6
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take away their social services take away the you're born here you you're a citizen law. jail employers for violating the law of hiring illegals. after a few examples are made you'll start seeing the mass migration back to their own country. oh yeah don't let children of illegals go to school here.
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sure hire mexicans to build it, lets see how long it takes LOL. Cajun, that is a good article. So is focused in $$$.
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The report estimates that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would dramatically increase their cost, causing the net fiscal deficit to rise to nearly $29 billion because, the author argues, unskilled immigrants would have access to more government services while continuing to make modest tax payments.
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So that means that the same amount of US citizens with the same skills cost the US 29 billions right now. , take all of those and make them illegal so they cost less.
True...they would cost but then again..they're citizens of the country:eh:
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Just annex the place. Get the scum out of their goverment and lets go check out the surfing with no border hassle. Who is in?
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take away their social services take away the you're born here you you're a citizen law. jail employers for violating the law of hiring illegals. after a few examples are made you'll start seeing the mass migration back to their own country. oh yeah don't let children of illegals go to school here.
You can't do that, isn't this a first world country? Even in Mexico hospitals and schools are free no matter where you are born.

I think it is way more complicated than that. See we only see what happens in here and we never see what happens overthere or even mention it. For example i Know a big amount of US DOCTORS that went to school in Mexico because is WAY cheaper, you never hear complains about that. Yeah they are not illegal cause it takes you minutes to get a work permit over there, if you are doing consulting you don't even need one.

mmmm maybe I just went out off topic lol
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You can't do that, isn't this a first world country? Even in Mexico hospitals and schools are free no matter where you are born.

I think it is way more complicated than that. See we only see what happens in here and we never see what happens overthere or even mention it. For example i Know a big amount of US DOCTORS that went to school in Mexico because is WAY cheaper, you never hear complains about that. Yeah they are not illegal cause it takes you minutes to get a work permit over there, if you are doing consulting you don't even need one.

mmmm maybe I just went out off topic lol
Good Point, I think we could easily come up with a solution that involved making some of our immigrant systems work better and while we are doing that place some military along the borders to detour the cartels. Although... I believe we are already sending the National Guard down to the borders to help. Woot Woot, my uncle has also used the military and some of their heat scanning technology to round up border jumpers.
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True...they would cost but then again..they're citizens of the country:eh:

So then lets focus, the ILLEGAL problem is $$$$$$ related or nationality related. If it is $$$$ related that study proves that illegals are not as expensive as citizens (in the same cultural level), if it is race related, a big amount of US nationals have some illegal in their blood.

I guess is that to me no matter what nationality you are or where you live if you are productive and a good person you shouldn't be treated like an animal. And i do have some experience with other cultures, I lived for short periods of time in around 6 or 7 countries.

Hey we all here, if the fence helps this country, build it, if kicking those millions of peoples helps this country do it, whatever makes this country better do it, just don't be a racist and a crimminal doing it. (I am not saying you are a criminal or racist)
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Good Point, I think we could easily come up with a solution that involved making some of our immigrant systems work better and while we are doing that place some military along the borders to detour the cartels. Although... I believe we are already sending the National Guard down to the borders to help. Woot Woot, my uncle has also used the military and some of their heat scanning technology to round up border jumpers.

And that is fine, but remember not all illegals are crimminals, killers, terrorists. They do deserve human treatment.
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And that is fine, but remember not all illegals are crimminals, killers, terrorists. They do deserve human treatment.
Of course, most of them are treated well upon being detained. Many of them are in bad health due to dehydration, starvation and many other ailments that come from crossing the desert that seperates most of the US from Mexico.
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...a big amount of US nationals have some illegal in their blood.
Please elaborate...
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So then lets focus, the ILLEGAL problem is $$$$$$ related or nationality related. If it is $$$$ related that study proves that illegals are not as expensive as citizens (in the same cultural level), if it is race related, a big amount of US nationals have some illegal in their blood.

I guess is that to me no matter what nationality you are or where you live if you are productive and a good person you shouldn't be treated like an animal. And i do have some experience with other cultures, I lived for short periods of time in around 6 or 7 countries.

Hey we all here, if the fence helps this country, build it, if kicking those millions of peoples helps this country do it, whatever makes this country better do it, just don't be a racist and a crimminal doing it. (I am not saying you are a criminal or racist)
Let me put it to you flatly....

1) The cost of the illegals that are currently in country are a cost we wouldn't otherwise encounter, we not would not have accrued such costs were they not here...

2) We will discontinue crossing by the fence, I don't acre what anyone says...If you set up a fire wall on your network, it can still be hacked, it justy makes it that much harder to do so...

3) This has nothing to do with race...to me atleast...it is both natl security and financial implications

4) I'm not for rounding up illegals and shooting, bombing or otherwise killing them...don't confuse me with others on here...and don't project false assumptions onto me

5) If you are here illegally, you should leave and attempt to come back at a later time (I realize this futility of such a statement but I am making it for effect)

Read my posts before you respond to me in the future cat...
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We are all immigrants from some point in our history yes but,.... eh I need a beer!
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I quotet " (I am not saying you are a criminal or racist) "
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Never said you were calling me a racist but rather that you were inferring fallacies...
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immigrant = illegal at some point
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Man this is a tough subject to talk about. Most people are here to live the American dream. They just want to be Americans. Here we are denying them of such a dream. If they could be here legally then there would not be problems. I say let's turn the Mexican Government into U.S Govt. and combine Mexico and make it a state. That way we don't have to argued about who is here illegally. Heck, let's make any countries a state if they want to join that way everyone gets to live the American Dream. From Mexico all the way to South America, and Cuba too. Only the Canadian that are not posing the threat of migrating over.
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