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Old 05-23-2011, 05:42 PM   #61
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I have an acquaintance that recently got an R1 as a first bike. He's never had any experience on a smaller bike. Do you guys feel its your responsibility as a veteran rider to tell them about the option of smaller bikes, and bigger is not always better?

I'm on the fence. I try to apply due diligence and inform them about smaller bikes but there are times when the person is just basking in their glory about the new purchase that I don't want to seem like a "hater". The only best I can do is take them out on rides and have them experience for themselves.

They're already scared shitless of the bike (probably the same story on a 600cc).
here we go with the same threads r1 as a first bike lol

cmon man do a search
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Don't worry about me keeping up . Just meet me and make Me sit down like u said. Or maybe I'll just see u somewhere and make u sit down
I really hope you're a troll. No one is really this idiotic and combative.....right? Come to a track day on your 600, and I'll be happy to show you all sorts of "bs 250" tail section.
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:44 PM   #63
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that's all you can really do. liter+ bikes are un-forgiving. self control is only a small part of the issue. the big issue is mistakes. mistakes happen, and depending on when that mistake happens and what kind of power that machine puts down can make the difference between living and dieing.
Exactly. Like I was always told:

When you start riding you have a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill up the bag of experience before you run out of luck.

In my opinion, why get a bike that drains your luck faster?
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I don't even see why your saying he needs a smaller bike who cares. Is he really gonna see what u post sell his new bike and get a smaller one
He's asking for advice on how to approach his friend...who knows he might get the right advice his friend see the value in it...sell his one thousand for more than what a 600 would cost buy a maybe newer bike and still have some cash left...sounds too perfect but it could happen and it could protect him in the end...
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:50 PM   #65
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i love how everyone call each other e-tough. and they are the other e-tough

now thats hilarious. keep e-fighting pls
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:01 PM   #67
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Don't worry about me keeping up . Just meet me and make Me sit down like u said. Or maybe I'll just see u somewhere and make u sit down
You're doing a good job on keeping up the GSXR owner stereotype!
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i love how everyone call each other e-tough. and they are the other e-tough

now thats hilarious. keep e-fighting pls
no, I'm old...and obnoxious, I was gonna say nasty....but then
I remembered your foot.
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no, I'm old...and obnoxious, I was gonna say nasty....but then
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my foot is ready to get in someone's mouth . who says first
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What to say?
Those of you that started with an R1 congradulations on surviving the learning curve.
You should also check the specs of that early R1 its likly not even close to the current one.

He had a reson for buying the bike you might get some insight if you ask him why he made the selection.

See if you can talk him into keeping it in the lower perfomming mode. I thnk its B mode, that might be a little help.
If he has close relatives a serious talk about life insurance may be a good idea.
Go over standard safety checks like Air pressure in tires and the safety gear.
I assume he has taken the Safety course

The first 5K miles are likely the most dangeorus considering after about 2K he will be more likly to think he has the experiance.

Good Luck

FYI I never had a high performce liter bike, I did part with an 08 Busa after 10K miles
confidnetly knowing if I didn't I would be parting with life as I know it.
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I don't even see why your saying he needs a smaller bike who cares. Is he really gonna see what u post sell his new bike and get a smaller one
wow this guy is still talking... ok fine . ill be at the Hooters on the feeder in about 25 minutes see you there ok.
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A liter bike for a first bike is usually a bad idea. Those that feel that it's a good idea are often those who got a liter bike for a first bike. You can buy perceived street cred via your machine, with the fastest hottest thing on the planet but that doesn't necesarily mean you can come close to using it effectively. That's the awesome thing about motorcycles - the bike is only half of the equation. It's like a beautiful expensive guitar - people are only impressed with it until you start to play. At that point, it becomes painfully evident whether you're posing or can truly use it.

I bought over my head on my first bike and it was "just a 600." It was a scary first year that didn't end in as much tragedy as it could have - just a broken back. I listened to too many people with the tired old "it's just a 600" bullshit. Don't think I would have lived on a liter bike back then.

There is a very critical skill set that has to be learned and improved upon if you ever want to be a really good rider. It's infinitely harder to build such skills when you are starting out way over your head. It's really easy to let ego or sometimes even a good deal that's too hard to pass up dictate what we buy, but the reality is that very very few everyday riders would ever even come close to maxing out the performance capabilities of any stock 600 on a road course.

I've spent many years of my 40 around dangerous things. I've seen a lot of good people dead or permanently altered from being in far over their heads when they though they had it all under control or even worse, mastered. Parachutes, cars, motorcycles - it's too easy to start believing that the machine is the greater part and that the operator is made by it, rather than the opposite.

When the new GSXR1000 model came out in 2001, they press launched it at Road Atlanta along with the auspices of the Schwantz school. I wasn't out there that weekend, but talked on the followingTuesday to my friend Ted that is an instructor for KS and quite an impressive guy on a road course. At the time, I think he was jockeying for the points lead in WERA B and C superbike, doing a little AMA as well as teaching at the GP school.

I asked him about the new 1000 and his reply was along the lines of, "As I was coming up the hill out of 5 and it was power wheelieing up on me, I realized that it might just have been too much bike for me that particular day." Sort of put it in perspective. He was working at Performace Powersports in Duluth, GA back then, and used to flat out refuse to sell certain bikes to inexperienced riders. The back of the shop was always full of low mileage insurance jobs that wadded up before the motors were even broken in.

Can you start on a 1000 and live? Sure. Some even learn how to be highly skilled on them without a long hard learning curve filled with near misses and incidents. Doesn't mean it's ideal. I bear no ill will against them, I just think it's a better idea to start smaller for many reasons.

, there's so much "natural selection intervention coming" out on some of the newer liter bikes now with traction control, ABS etc., I guess that the odds improve slightly - though Darwin might scoff at it.
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Even he may be a grown man and makes his own decisions, it is rather stupid to start on a liter bike.

Let him know the consequences of starting out on such a big bike. If he's smart, he will heed your words. If he's not then let nature take its course.

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He's a grown person let him ride what he wants. If your buying the bike with your money than you have say so if not let him do what he wants. Just cause it's a 1000 don't mean besides People wanting tO talk . No one tells you what to ride so why tell him?
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Not saying I got more experience then u or anyone else but who are u to judge someone on what they ride and say oh a 1000 is too much. Sooo based on ulric u gotta ride for 10 plus years to ride a 05 FZ1. nice man
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:08 PM   #79
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If u were buying a car would u get a bad corvette that was a of a deal? Or a ford fiesta cuz of the engine? Same rule applies. People get what they get based on what they think they can handle and what they like. U can't call someone an idiot for getting somethin bigger than someone else thinks they should so y all the fuss? This is america..if u want rules on what people ride first go live in a commie country. That's all I'm sayin..
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