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Old 05-23-2011, 09:25 AM   #1
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What do you tell a new rider who goes out and buys a liter bike

I have an acquaintance that recently got an R1 as a first bike. He's never had any experience on a smaller bike. Do you guys feel its your responsibility as a veteran rider to tell them about the option of smaller bikes, and bigger is not always better?

I'm on the fence. I try to apply due diligence and inform them about smaller bikes but there are times when the person is just basking in their glory about the new purchase that I don't want to seem like a "hater". The only best I can do is take them out on rides and have them experience for themselves.

They're already scared shitless of the bike (probably the same story on a 600cc).
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Ask him to go into a small business venture with you. Why you ask?

Since you now have a stake in his well-being, take out a million dollar life insurance policy on him.

Get rich. Send me 10% for the idea.
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I have an acquaintance that recently got an R1 as a first bike. He's never had any experience on a smaller bike. Do you guys feel its your responsibility as a veteran rider to tell them about the option of smaller bikes, and bigger is not always better?

I'm on the fence. I try to apply due diligence and inform them about smaller bikes but there are times when the person is just basking in their glory about the new purchase that I don't want to seem like a "hater". The only best I can do is take them out on rides and have them experience for themselves.

They're already scared shitless of the bike (probably the same story on a 600cc).
If he has already purchased the bike, then you are too late to tell them about getting a smaller bike. What I have done is ride with them as much as possible. Make sure they get the training they need and encourage them to be a safe rider.
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Other than that, send him a bunch of pictures of people with roadrash then make sure he rides with gear. Not much you can do beyond that. Make sure he's taken the MSF course.

It's been my experience, when new people buy a liter bike, they're already in a squid state of mind and usually takes something drastic to get them to realize the errors of their ways. If the bike has power selections (like the new suzukis), make sure its all the way down.
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I have an acquaintance that recently got an R1 as a first bike. He's never had any experience on a smaller bike. Do you guys feel its your responsibility as a veteran rider to tell them about the option of smaller bikes, and bigger is not always better?
To advise him? Yes.
If he doesn't listen then try a bit of persuasion. You're not his momma but if anything you can say to him now will save him from some pain, losing a limb or a up bike later then you should try.

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I'm on the fence. I try to apply due diligence and inform them about smaller bikes but there are times when the person is just basking in their glory about the new purchase that I don't want to seem like a "hater". The only best I can do is take them out on rides and have them experience for themselves.
Pretty much. If he's already bought the bike, do what you can to help.
It's hard knowing what you know and NOT being perceived a "hater".

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They're already scared shitless of the bike (probably the same story on a 600cc).
Sounds like they already bought it. Do what you can, but in the end that's a grown man making his own decisions. There are some riders that have started on liter and above bikes and have been ok.
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Does he have full coverage? Take him on a ride and have him try to keep up...see if that scares the out of him.
Why would you do this? That's why a lot of noobs wreck already is trying to keep up. Terrible advice. I mean while you're at it, tell him that gear is pointless.
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Does he have full coverage? Take him on a ride and have him try to keep up...see if that scares the out of him.
REALLY REALLY BAD IDEA.
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If he has already purchased the bike, then you are too late to tell them about getting a smaller bike. What I have done is ride with them as much as possible. Make sure they get the training they need and encourage them to be a safe rider.
i think this is the best way to save face, maintain friendship and not look like a even though you aren't really trying to be a .

and yes asking them to keep up with more experienced riders is a very bad idea...
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If they've already purchased it, I just tell them to be careful. If they ask ahead of time, I always advise to go midrange for a first bike.
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Have him sign the life insurance policy you just get on him... he asks why, just point at that new 1liter and don't say anything else.
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If they've already purchased it, I just tell them to be careful. If they ask ahead of time, I always advise to go midrange for a first bike.
what is your definition of mid-range?

i always suggest getting a cheap ole 250 that you can sell for the same price you paid. learning on the 250 is a lot more forgiving than a 600, or even a 650 (sv, 650r)
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Does he have ANY riding experience? Dirt bikes as a kid...anything?
I would agree...life insurance policy.
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what is your definition of mid-range?

i always suggest getting a cheap ole 250 that you can sell for the same price you paid. learning on the 250 is a lot more forgiving than a 600, or even a 650 (sv, 650r)
There's a nice bit of dif between a cbr 600 or fz6 and say a 650sv...
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i always suggest getting a cheap ole 250 that you can sell for the same price you paid. learning on the 250 is a lot more forgiving than a 600, or even a 650 (sv, 650r)
Depends on the size of the rider and where they plan on riding. I wouldn’t recommend a 250 for someone that weighs 245 lbs or plans on riding the freeways in Houston.
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I was just at a dealership a few weeks ago. Some younger kid was sitting on his new ZX-10 and one of the sales guys was showing him which levers and pedals the clutch, brakes and gear shifter were. I just mumbled under my breath as I walked away "RIP, man".

Not much you can say after they bought it. They will do what ever they want once they are on that thing.

Do as others suggested on here so it wont be on your conscience.
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i actually talked to a guy about this saturday.

... Never ridden before and said he was looking at getting a 1800cc cruiser so i just said that was really stupid... I brutally explained things a little more and now hes looking at a Shadow 750.

I'm not very nice when they tell me things like that and so far everyone i've talked to about it has responded well and bought a smaller starter bike.
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My first bike was a cbr 900, but I believe it all depends on the rider and what mind set they are on. I always respected the bike and never drove faster than what i could handle. Having any dirtbike or 4wheeler expirence is a plus.

I only get scared when you see people who have low hand/eye coordination
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