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Old 05-16-2011, 07:35 PM   #1
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This affects all sport bikers!

Sport Bike Riders! This affects you. I encourage you to stand up and let you voice be heard. Write, email, or fax you State Senator today! Use your words or something simular to the format letter below. They are hearing from us on your behalf, they need to also hear from you. If you do not know who your State Senator is, go to this website:

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/

Click on the right side of the page on "Who represents me?"

They work for you, in OUR House, the one in Austin that belongs to the people of the Great State of Texas known as the Capitol, that means you and me. Let them know how we feel as about this legislation as bikers. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Send an email or fax as there may not be enough time for snail mail.

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Senator (fill in your senators last name here), my name is (fill in your name here) and I am a voter registered in your district. My understanding is HB2470 relating to the regulation of sports bikes and certain other motorcycles; has passed in the House and has been received in the Senate for review on May 5th 2011. Although the main points in the bill are certainly related to safety with which I agree, I would urge you stop this bill in committee as it is certainly discriminatory on it's face

SECTION 4 (1) (B) and has an M class license; and (language regarding having an M class license for two years needs to be stricken. Meeting the requirements for an M class license is all the law requires to operate a motorcycle. If you feel the motorcycle safety training course is insufficient for this type of motorcycle you need to adjust the training requirement. Motor vehicle operators do not have
this level of restriction placed on them when they get licensed)

SECTION 4 (2) (A) is at least 18 years of age unless the operator is a parent or guardian, or is at least 16years of age and posses an M class license, or is under 18 years of age and have specific parental consent for the minor child to be a passenger. (As you well know SB1967 created a 5year minimum age
and that law is presently on the books. No child under that age would be allowed in any event.)

I believe that the above wording enforces the original intent of the bill but allows for a parent or guardian to transport or their child in accordance with the age age limits for motorcycle passengers that presently exist in the transportation code.

Again I urge you to amend the bill as noted above. The members of this committee have worked very closely with the Motorcycle Riding Community and I would hope that you would respect our judgment regarding Motorcycle related issues. We have always approached Motorcycle Safety issues reasonably and we know you do as well. We urge the amendments suggested as this bill is over reaching and unreasonable in it's present form. Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter.
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:52 PM   #2
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I believe that the above wording enforces the original intent of the bill but allows for a parent or guardian to transport or their child in accordance with the age age limits for motorcycle passengers that presently exist in the transportation code.
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not too sure if I disagree with this bill...how many times have you seen squids with their girl friends (half naked) hanging on the back? , most of the time neither are even wearing a helmet (and probably not a licensed driver)...I'm waiting for the law that you must posess a class M license before buying a bike...good luck with your endeavors, however right now, I can not support them
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:53 PM   #4
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Wow... restrictions amaze me these days... although a few days ago i took my kids to the aquarium in glaveston and i couldnt even count on both hands how many people i saw on motorcycles (all types not just sport) that had kids 10 yrs old or even younger on the back with np helmet on but the driver (dad or big brother) did have a helmet on..... what is wrong with society these days

IMO it doesnt matter what speed you are cruising at your passenger should always have a lid on, their life is basically in your hands.

They really need to make an IQ test to be able to purchase or sale a motorcycle period, if u cant tell the difference between an apple or a train wreck u probably shouldnt be on 2 wheels just my 2 cents


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Old 05-16-2011, 08:09 PM   #5
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Isn't this the bill that directly singles out sportbikes?
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Isn't this the bill that directly singles out sportbikes?
Yes, and aparently he didn't do a search first...

He doesn't address the discriminatory aspects much, then there's the description of 'sport bikes', the lack of education thats supposed to be the purpose of the bill.

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search here, then go to twtex.com and find the 4270 thread.
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:44 PM   #7
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I don't necessarily disagree with the bill but I do disagree with it singling out sport bikes. The intent was probably to lessen injuries to passengers on fast bikes but there are a lot of bikes that are fast that aren't sport bikes. The law doesn't even apply to standards which in some cases is just a non aerodynamic sport bike. If that was there intent then someone was asleep at the helm. Don't forget to voice your opinion on the new lane splitting bill that passed the House. Unless you are against it, then ssssshhhhhh.
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Laws never bother most of us before, whats one more to ignore
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I don't necessarily disagree with the bill but I do disagree with it singling out sport bikes. The intent was probably to lessen injuries to passengers on fast bikes but there are a lot of bikes that are fast that aren't sport bikes. The law doesn't even apply to standards which in some cases is just a non aerodynamic sport bike. If that was there intent then someone was asleep at the helm. Don't forget to voice your opinion on the new lane splitting bill that passed the House. Unless you are against it, then ssssshhhhhh.
Read the bill, it could easily 'apply' to standards... heck there's nothing stopping the ins co's jumping on it and raising rates either.

.....as for the 'new lane splitting bill that passed the House'.
It didn't pass, it's rotting in a House committee. In short it's a dead duck.

Blowing HB 2470 off would be a big mistake...
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bill or no bill...helmets and gear should be used by all bikers. I think scraping your face at 10 mph would hurt to.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:54 PM   #13
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Discrimination aside, how about just the equipment part? I have owned 3 bikes with grab handles. Two had one on each side of the passenger's seat, one had a single bar behind the passenger's seat. None of them has received much in the way of use aside from bungee tie-down points despite regularly riding 2-up with the family.

Neither my wife or any of my kids ever really hold on to them since there isn't any real support from them. With your hands immediatly underneath your bottom or directly behind your back you have no real additional leverage beyond what you get from your seat/backside connection. It is much more functional to have the passenger hold on to the rider. My "Love Handles" (a web belt around the rider's waist with handles for the passenger to hold) have gotten waaaaay more use than grab handles ever have.

To take it further, how many Harley's have grab handles? How many bikes from any class or from any manufacturer have grab handles? How many fatalities per year can be directly be attributed to a lack of handles?

This could create a 3rd US specification for motorcycles and stall bike sales in Texas. We already have the California variants brought to these shores due to emission restrictions there, but to change to a 48-state and then a Texas model for passenger safety handles...
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I do not favor more laws, but I see nothing here to complain about.
It probably comes from review of statistics in bike accidents, and they are simply trying to spare some passangers grief from make the poor decision of getting on a bike with a noob, who has more bike than they can handle.
I doubt it will help.
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Read the bill, it could easily 'apply' to standards... heck there's nothing stopping the ins co's jumping on it and raising rates either.

.....as for the 'new lane splitting bill that passed the House'.
It didn't pass, it's rotting in a House committee. In short it's a dead duck.

Blowing HB 2470 off would be a big mistake...
I guess it could but the bill says,
" (18-a) "Sport bike" means a motorcycle:
(A) that is optimized for speed, acceleration,
braking, and maneuverability on paved roads;
(B) that has a lightweight frame;
(C) on which the operator leans forward over the
gas tank during operation; and
(D) that is not a touring, cruising, standard, or
dual-sport motorcycle.

That sucks about the lane splitting law. I thought it might go this year.
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I guess it could but the bill says,
" (18-a) "Sport bike" means a motorcycle:
(A) that is optimized for speed, acceleration,
braking, and maneuverability on paved roads;
(B) that has a lightweight frame;
(C) on which the operator leans forward over the
gas tank during operation; and
(D) that is not a touring, cruising, standard, or
dual-sport motorcycle.

That sucks about the lane splitting law. I thought it might go this year.
WE have posts here about leo's pulling over the wrong bike, color/style etc because of another that ran... and they're going to discern between a 'sport bike' and a 'standard'.
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Read the bill, it could easily 'apply' to standards... heck there's nothing stopping the ins co's jumping on it and raising rates either.

.....as for the 'new lane splitting bill that passed the House'.
It didn't pass, it's rotting in a House committee. In short it's a dead duck.

Blowing HB 2470 off would be a big mistake...
Sec.A521.084.AACLASS M LICENSE. A Class M driver ís license
authorizes the holder of the license to operate a motorcycle,
including a sport bike as defined by Section 541.201, or a moped.
SECTIONA3.AASection 541.201, Transportation Code, is amended
by adding Subdivision (18-a) to read as follows:
(18-a)AA"Sport bike" means a motorcycle:
(A)AAthat is optimized for speed, acceleration,
braking, and maneuverability on paved roads;
(B)AAthat has a light-weight frame;
(C)AAon which the rider leans forward over the gas
tank; and
(D)AAis not a touring, cruiser, standard, or
dual-sport motorcycle.

No it can't.. Pretty plain to understand who they are targeting.
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Sec.A545.4161.AAOPERATION OF SPORT BIKE. (a) In addition to
the requirements and prohibitions under Section 545.416, an
operator may not carry another person on a sport bike unless the
sport bike is designed to carry more than one person, and unless:
This is gay.. Should be related to all bikes. So this should be a law in another section of the law that relates to all bikes

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(2)AAthe other person:
(A)AAis at least 18 years of age and holds a Class
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(B)AAis a motorcycle operator training and safety
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Ok.. So if I owned a Harley, I could take my daughter down to the beach on my bike, but because it's a sports bike, then no? She always wears gear to include one of my jackets that she fits and helmet.


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Sec.A547.803.AASPORT BIKE SAFETY EQUIPMENT. If a sport bike
is designed to carry more than one person, the sport bike must be
equipped with foot pegs and handholds for use by a passenger on the
sport bike.
I've seen the ones that connect to your gas cap or suction to the gas tank. Very nice for the passenger. Most passengers that have them praise them, but past that, who even uses the one that a lot of manufactures supply. My g-f does, but that's if we're up to cruising speed for long distances and she wants to sit up. Next question, if a cruiser didn't have a back rest, would it have to follow the same guidelines.. oh.. sorry.. forgot, this is for sports bikes.
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I actually agree with the law however I think it should pertain to ALL motorcycles, not just sport bikes.

And I'm not sure who mentioned it, but yes, your right.... cops aren't going to know the difference between sport bikes and other types of bikes. My bike is a 'sport-cruiser'... it won't keep up to a sport bike if I tried, I can only imagine how many times I'm going to get stopped :P
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I sent a letter.. not that I'm against gear or even higher training standards, but this bill grossly misses the mark. With it starting out JUST targeting sports bikes is the first and most major problem. But even the details were really just flat out dumb. I mean, one, if you carry a passenger, regardless of what style of bike, the bike should be designed for it with seats and pegs..... you know.. let me just stop before I rant on this.. I wrote them though.
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I posted this because they did discriminate against you with this bill. Whatever you dont like about it is your business. If you dont like being singled out, let em know. I for one am against them passing any laws that restrict our freedom. I believe in individual choice and less govt. intervention into our lifestyle. Like i said, if you dont like this letter, write your own, or do nothing and see your rights taken away one at a time. A wise man once said, "If you cant stand up for something, you will fall for anything." Just sharing the info with you. Your choice. This is what we do at the COC. We stand up and let our voice be heard. Bikers vote, and the politicians are there to serve their constituents which includes us.
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