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Old 09-28-2006, 06:37 AM   #1
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MotoGP VS. WSBK

This is some news i found, kind of interesting for those who wonder what kind of laptimes a motogp bike does vs. a superbike. i thought it would have been a much bigger difference between the prototypes and the production models


Last weekend's World Superbike round at Assen provided the first chance this year to directly compare the pace of production based WSBK machines against the prototype MotoGP racers – with startling results.

MotoGP raced at Assen two and a half months ago and – whilst the GP itself was wet – the preceding practice and qualifying sessions took place under near identical weather conditions to the SBK event, allowing direct comparisons between the lap times.

So, let's start with some facts:

1) WSBK pole sitter Frankie Chili's best lap was just 1.1secs slower than MotoGP pole sitter Loris Capirossi – despite Chili riding a two-year-old Ducati 998RS with around 50 less horsepower and weighing around 20kg more than Capirossi's Desmosedici V4 prototype.

2) Chili's time would have put him 11th on the MotoGP grid! The following is a list of the riders and teams he beat on his 'street bike':

Ukawa (Honda + 0.055secs), Hayden (Honda +0.124secs), Bayliss (Ducati +0.273secs), Haga (Aprilia +0.314secs), Kagayama (Suzuki +0.727secs), Hopkins (Suzuki +0.841secs), Hofmann (Kawasaki +1.298secs), Tamada (Honda +1.477secs), McWilliams (Proton +2.122secs), Pitt (Kawasaki +2.497secs), McCoy (Kawasaki +2.533secs), Kiyonari (Honda +2.833secs) and Aoki (Proton +5.298secs).

3) Under the 107% rule, using Capirossi's time, the top 22 WSBK riders at Assen would have qualified for the MotoGP race. That includes both Foggy Petronas machines ridden by Troy Corser and James Haydon! Corser was just 0.1secs slower than McCoy's Kawasaki.

4) Top Suzuki qualifier, Gregorio Lavilla – riding a GSX1000R – was just 0.6secs slower than top Suzuki MotoGP qualifier, Yukio Kagayama.

5) Top Kawasaki qualifier, Ivan Clementi – riding a ZX7 RR – lapped 1.1secs slower than top Kawasaki MotoGP qualifier Alex Hofmann. But, Clementi was faster than both Andrew Pitt and Garry McCoy – despite his significantly smaller engine size.

It's worth mentioning that Assen requires both horsepower and handling, which should shift things further in MotoGP's favour - the gap between WSBK and MotoGP could actually be closer at many other circuits.

All of which is a bit embarrassing for many GP teams – the rules may state you need to build a prototype, they don't say it needs to be slower than a production bike...

For the likes of Suzuki and Kawasaki, whose MotoGP machines don't appear to be much quicker than their WSBK designs, it is especially baffling.

Presumably, when designing their prototypes, they could have used all their WSBK experience, then employed expensive materials/manufacturing techniques which were impractical on production based racers to improve the bike further – of course changing enough engine internals to satisfy the prototype rules (and avoid a WCM type situation
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This is some news i found, kind of interesting for those who wonder what kind of laptimes a motogp bike does vs. a superbike. i thought it would have been a much bigger difference between the prototypes and the production models

It's not really that surprising. Heck look at the lap times of the 250's or even the 125's. The fastest of those 2 groups are only 2 - 6 seconds off motogp times. depending on the track. I remember in the early 90's there was actually some fear (not sure that fear is the right word) that the 250's would start turning faster lap times than the 500cc bikes. The 250's back then carried soo much more corner speed. But with the newer tires, motogp bikes are being ridden more and more like a 250.
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What's the source on this? Corser hasn't ridden for FP for over 2 years now, and Chili isn't in WSBK any more (IIRC). Are they comaring MotoGP times from this year's race to a WSBK race 2 (or more) years ago? List your source for this info if you have the time...

Sorry vfrracer, That was qouted from a post from 3 years ago on another forum. I cant track down the source. The point of the thread was interesting. I havent tried to compare the track times of current motogp and wsbk riders. But I would bet that the WSBK lap times are still as fast as some of the slower motogp lap times. Wouldnt you agree?
It is an interesting comparo
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