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Old 05-16-2011, 10:03 PM   #21
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what's a "take off" ?
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:18 PM   #22
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+1 on contacting John, I bet he can take care of you. For tire advice as well; he has forgotten more about "real" tire data than all the average message board users combined. I understand you are looking for information from real users, but you can't beat his experience.

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+1 on contacting John, I bet he can take care of you. For tire advice as well; he has forgotten more about "real" tire data than all the average message board users combined. I understand you are looking for information from real users, but you can't beat his experience.

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Definitely. Basically all my tire knowledge comes from The Motorcyclist, Motorcycle Consumer News, or tire salesmen. A bit limited really. Actual feedback would be nice. I will definitely email South Central and hopefully I find what I'm looking for. Thanks guys.
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what's a "take off" ?
Used racing tires. My understanding is worn tires from guys who track it out or do heavy cornering. Basically, the sidewall threads wear out before the middle does which makes them good for daily street riding and maybe light trackdays.
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Used racing tires. My understanding is worn tires from guys who track it out or do heavy cornering. Basically, the sidewall threads wear out before the middle does which makes them good for daily street riding and maybe light trackdays.
Correct, a race tire might be good for a race weekend if you are running below 1:50 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) but, still has a lot of street life and/or a few TDs if your pace is slower.

Regarding your question on Alonzo's take offs, they are pretty solid. I got one 211 GP (UK Version) from him. He used them for one race weekend (I believe), I did about 5 TD more on them. At the time, I was doing about 2 minutes at MSRH.

As far as learning more about tires, I'd suggest (as mentioned before) you talk with John Hutchinson regarding Pirelli and Bridgestone. David Hirsch regarding Michelins and Allan Campbell for Dunlops.
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Correct, a race tire might be good for a race weekend if you are running below 1:50 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) but, still has a lot of street life and/or a few TDs if your pace is slower.

Regarding your question on Alonzo's take offs, they are pretty solid. I got one 211 GP (UK Version) from him. He used them for one race weekend (I believe), I did about 5 TD more on them. At the time, I was doing about 2 minutes at MSRH.

As far as learning more about tires, I'd suggest (as mentioned before) you talk with John Hutchinson regarding Pirelli and Bridgestone. David Hirsch regarding Michelins and Allan Campbell for Dunlops.
I just find it funny how everyone around here uses TWS (Texas World Speedway) (me included) to judge a speed/time
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First, verify that you have a 6 inch rim; I thought some of the GSXR1K's had a 5.5

Running a 180 on the 6 inch rim spreads it out a bit, makes it real easy to get to the edge of the tire and beyond.

The 190 has better angles on the sides on that rim, gives more rubber when leaned

The 190/55 is taller than the 190/50 or the 180/55, especially on the 6 inch rim

Here are pics of a 180/55, 190/55, 190/50, all on 6 inch rims... (sorry the 190/50 is a bit worn, but you get the idea)

They are all aired up to the same PSI to remove that variable...
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First, verify that you have a 6 inch rim; I thought some of the GSXR1K's had a 5.5

Running a 180 on the 6 inch rim spreads it out a bit, makes it real easy to get to the edge of the tire and beyond.

The 190 has better angles on the sides on that rim, gives more rubber when leaned

The 190/55 is taller than the 190/50 or the 180/55, especially on the 6 inch rim

Here are pics of a 180/55, 190/55, 190/50, all on 6 inch rims... (sorry the 190/50 is a bit worn, but you get the idea)

They are all aired up to the same PSI to remove that variable...
Very good info!! Thank you.

Mine's definitely a 6 inch. Curious question... how would it work doing the opposite, I.e. 190s on a 5.5 rim?
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Very good info!! Thank you.

Mine's definitely a 6 inch. Curious question... how would it work doing the opposite, I.e. 190s on a 5.5 rim?
Depends on the tire. For ex. the tires Im currently on are reccommend for 5.5" or 6" wheels and they are 190/55's. Im sure its not the same with every manufacturer.
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Most of the MFG I am pretty sure say 5.5-6 for the 190 series

Really depends on the shape of the tire...

Michelins are more pointy, triangular shaped
Bridgestone and Dunlop are more rounded

So going on a wider or narrower rim will affect the shape of the tire.. and the sidewall angles, which are critical when you have it leaned over.

Just for demo purposes.. it was very easy to get to the edge of the 180/55 on the street... really wasn't ragging it that much.. whereas I had to really work the 190/55 to get close...

On the track you would be on much less tire on the 180 versus the 190.
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Next week I am getting a new set of tires; I'll take a straight edge, from the lip of the sidewall, and compare the "rubber on the ground at lean" between the 190/55 and 180/55..
since the BT016 is pretty much used and the 180/55 only has a couple hundred miles on it, it will be better to compare to the new 190/55.....

I'll post up the pics and what I get for measurements....

I'll also try and measure how much angle you have when you get to the edges...
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