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Old 05-12-2011, 08:37 AM   #21
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has there been a rash of people falling off bikes cuz they don't have anything to hold on to? put your arms around my waist!
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:00 AM   #23
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Do love handles count?
lol, if they do then i'm waaaayyyyy legal.

, i could have two passengers.

i'd have to install another set of pegs though, to comply the with new law.
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Stupid law, passengers should have enough common sense to not ride with some squid.

As far as handholds, I think the "strap" that is found on most rear seats will count.
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Stupid law, passengers should have enough common sense to not ride with some squid.

As far as handholds, I think the "strap" that is found on most rear seats will count.
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Stupid law, passengers should have enough common sense to not ride with some squid.

As far as handholds, I think the "strap" that is found on most rear seats will count.
I didn't even think about that strap.....I can't see holding on to that thing being safe at all.
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Guys, this bill has only passed the House. It has NOT passed the Senate or been signed by Perry.

If you really don't want to see it pass, then identify your Senator and call their office to tell them so!
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If you really don't want to see it pass, then identify your Senator and call their office to tell them so!
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The AMA is already active in fighting this but could use our help. E-mail, fax or call your state representative. Keep your responses civil and coherent.
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Although I dont agree with the law, its basically protecting young girls from hopping on the back of some squids "gixxer" and getting killed. Doesnt apply to me anyways so lfmao.
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Contact your state Rep & Senator, particularly your senator... as this thing has passed the house and is going to the senate. (As an fyi, most out house reps voted yes for this).
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I didn't even think about that strap.....I can't see holding on to that thing being safe at all.
I wouldn't use it either, but it satisfies a regulation SOMEWHERE lol!
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Yes inexperienced riders carrying passengers can be a problem but an even bigger and dangerous problem still exists...fat girls. These sport bikes with finely tuned suspension and small seats are simply not designed to safely carry fatties. If they just showed pictures of these types of accidents at MSF courses no one would dare do it. It looks like a barrel of salisbury steak fell off the back of a truck.

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Yes inexperienced riders carrying passengers can be a problem but an even bigger and dangerous problem still exists...fat girls. These sport bikes with finely tuned suspension and small seats are simply not designed to safely carry fatties. If they just showed pictures of these types of accidents at MSF courses no one would dare do it. It looks like a barrel of salisbury steak fell off the back of a truck.
And then we get sued for upsetting someone's delicate senses. Why do you think they don't show those gross car wrecks in Driver's Ed anymore?

Trust me, it's been discussed, not your "exact" scenario, but similar.
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Although I dont agree with the law, its basically protecting young girls from hopping on the back of some squids "gixxer" and getting killed. Doesnt apply to me anyways so lfmao.
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See above. I'm all for natural selection, but sometimes you have to protect the innocents from the stupidity of others. Why is it that people regard safety standards as infringement on their rights? That concept always baffles me. How many motorcycle fatalities involve inexperienced riders? I'll answer that....most of them. A law that will prevent the riders statistically proven more likely to have a fatal crash from carrying passengers and endangering their lives, as well.....I'm all for it. The right to be stupid is protected by the Constitution, but that right should be immediately revoked if the stupidity puts others at risk.
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See above. I'm all for natural selection, but sometimes you have to protect the innocents from the stupidity of others. Why is it that people regard safety standards as infringement on their rights? That concept always baffles me. How many motorcycle fatalities involve inexperienced riders? I'll answer that....most of them. A law that will prevent the riders statistically proven more likely to have a fatal crash from carrying passengers and endangering their lives, as well.....I'm all for it. The right to be stupid is protected by the Constitution, but that right should be immediately revoked if the stupidity puts others at risk.
that's the problem, the law doesn't actually prevent anything, and in all likely-hood would never be known by the inexperienced rider until after the fact. that's why the judge tells you "ignorance of the law is no excuse". it's not their fault that they didn't let the populous know what all the laws are, it's your fault for not knowing it.
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See above. I'm all for natural selection, but sometimes you have to protect the innocents from the stupidity of others. Why is it that people regard safety standards as infringement on their rights? That concept always baffles me. How many motorcycle fatalities involve inexperienced riders? I'll answer that....most of them. A law that will prevent the riders statistically proven more likely to have a fatal crash from carrying passengers and endangering their lives, as well.....I'm all for it. The right to be stupid is protected by the Constitution, but that right should be immediately revoked if the stupidity puts others at risk.
And this proposed law accomplishes this........how exactly? It doesn't, doesn't even come close. How is a legal adult riding on the back of a sports bike innocent? How are those grab bars going to save their life in an accident? How does this law save the passenger in an accident just because they (the passenger) has a M endorsement? Or that the driver has 2 years on their M endorsement. It doesn't. So based on your reasoning one can only draw the conclusion that you will not support this law.
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that's the problem, the law doesn't actually prevent anything, and in all likely-hood would never be known by the inexperienced rider until after the fact. that's why the judge tells you "ignorance of the law is no excuse". it's not their fault that they didn't let the populous know what all the laws are, it's your fault for not knowing it.
You're right...laws don't prevent anything. People will do what they want, regardless of whether or not there is a law against it. I think that there are a lot of people on the fence that will, if this law is enacted, reconsider having a passenger if they do not meet the requirements stated in this law. Will it magically make inexperienced rider fatalities go away? Of course not, but it may drop the number a percentage point or two, and I'll take that over a rise in deaths, any day.


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And this proposed law accomplishes this........how exactly? It doesn't, doesn't even come close. How is a legal adult riding on the back of a sports bike innocent? How are those grab bars going to save their life in an accident? How does this law save the passenger in an accident just because they (the passenger) has a M endorsement? Or that the driver has 2 years on their M endorsement. It doesn't. So based on your reasoning one can only draw the conclusion that you will not support this law.
See above for your first two sentences. As for the rest...how many people do you know that ride will openly admit that they are inexperienced riders? Do you think some guy trying to impress a girl he's trying to get in bed will say, "No, you can't get on my bike. I've only been riding this R1 for 3 weeks, and I'm not comfortable carrying a passenger." no. Even if she asks, he's going to tell her he's been riding for years. An adult who has made the decision to get on the back of a bike is not innocent, but if they are misled, whose fault is it exactly? Again...see above. It won't completely stop it from happening, but a few conscientious riders will heed the law.

The grab bar thing i don't really understand. Maybe there's a yet-to-be-disclosed statistic about passenger's sliding off the bike during acceleration or during a wheelie. Who knows?

As far as a passenger having their "M" endorsement, I completely understand this. Most people simply do no understand the risks involved in riding a motorcycle. Sure, they know it's dangerous, but if you ask them why they think so, their answer usually involves getting hit by a car. They are unaware of that riding a bike is not like driving a car and do not understand the skills required and the physics (cornering and braking traction, mainly, and the effects of water, debris and passengers on said traction) involved in riding one. I am pretty certain the lawmakers added this part because someone with an "M" endorsement will (typically) have a much better understanding of the risks involved, and are able to make a more well-informed decision about whether or not to get on the back of a bike with someone who is inexperienced.

As for the 2 year requirement before you can carry a passenger? I'm sure studies show that people ride their bikes "X" miles in "Y" time, and those same studies probably show that there is a significant decrease in motorcycle fatalities in riders with >2 years experience. Am I certain of this? Of course not. It's just an educated guess. I see it like the cell phone use in a car law. If you're under 18, you cannot use a wireless communication device and operate a motor vehicle at the same time if the vehicle is in motion. Yes, I know it can be said that the difference is the age limitation, but look at it from the other side. For most people, turning 18 gives them roughly 2 years driving experience.
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Contact your state Rep & Senator, particularly your senator... as this thing has passed the house and is going to the senate. (As an fyi, most out house reps voted yes for this).
Here's a link to contact your senator. Call or email and maybe this will end up where it belongs....in the trash. (ps, it really helps to be coherent and respectful)

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