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Old 05-04-2011, 01:46 AM   #1
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DUMB QUESTION

hey guys, this is an entirely stupid question...so stupid that google cant even answer it clearly...ready? here it goes:

on offroad bike that dont have a title, you have a bill of sale. does the bill of sale show how many people have owned it before you?

say a dirtbike was bought from joe, joe then sold it to jerry and gave him a bill of sale. jerry then sold it to bob, jerry gave a bill of sale to bob. now in the end, is there a way to see if joe ever had the bike?

ive never dealt with just bill of sales, theyve always had actual titles.

thanks and sorry for asking haha
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:15 AM   #2
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hey guys, this is an entirely stupid question...so stupid that google cant even answer it clearly...ready? here it goes:

on offroad bike that dont have a title, you have a bill of sale. does the bill of sale show how many people have owned it before you?

say a dirtbike was bought from joe, joe then sold it to jerry and gave him a bill of sale. jerry then sold it to bob, jerry gave a bill of sale to bob. now in the end, is there a way to see if joe ever had the bike?

ive never dealt with just bill of sales, theyve always had actual titles.

thanks and sorry for asking haha

Let me see if I can answer your post in English since I only understand about half of what you said...

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on offroad bike that dont have a title, you have a bill of sale. does the bill of sale show how many people have owned it before you?
Translation: Can you find out how many people have owned "an" off road motorcycle that doesn't have a title.

Answer: Not from the bill of sale, No.

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say a dirtbike was bought from joe, joe then sold it to jerry and gave him a bill of sale. jerry then sold it to bob, jerry gave a bill of sale to bob. now in the end, is there a way to see if joe ever had the bike?
I'm not going to translate this one as it's just repeating what you just said for no real reason.

Answer: Not from the bill of sale. Unless you get the title or go to the DMV and check on the vin to see how many owners It's very unlikely. Most likely it has had one, maybe two owners that ever changed it into their name. The rest like you just gave it to someone and wrote on a piece of paper.

Basically you can jump through hoops and get a title for it or since you'll most likely never need a plate for it unless we open a whole different can of worms by getting plates... or just ride it off road and it never really matters if you have the title until you sell it.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:41 AM   #3
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haha yes, your translations are correct AND youre right on the part when you said i was repeating myself..i rewrote it a different way to explain it better.

well what if you were going to get plates? then what?
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:35 AM   #4
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what type of off road bike?

dont know if you can get plates without title.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:47 AM   #5
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what type of off road bike?

dont know if you can get plates without title.
If it's an offroad bike, you don't need plates. However if you want to ride it on the street, you will need plates which also means you have to register the bike and you can't do that without a title. SO, then you will have to get a title.

A bill of sale only documents your purchase/ sale of the bike from one person to another.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:17 AM   #6
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you can always go the mechanic lien route......

I refuese to buy anything without a title (got one with my 450f) unless it's a little putter which i am working to get the title on also.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:42 AM   #7
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If it's an offroad bike, you don't need plates. However if you want to ride it on the street, you will need plates which also means you have to register the bike and you can't do that without a title. SO, then you will have to get a title.

A bill of sale only documents your purchase/ sale of the bike from one person to another.
yes, that is what i was thinking.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:36 AM   #8
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ya, you would need a MCO or MSO to title a vehicle...easily. I was just wondering if it was possible with just a bill of sale because that does document that you actually bought the bike
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:59 AM   #9
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I don't think a BoS counts as actual legal documentation. You will have to jump through some hoops to get a title in your name, but it can be done.
Go to your local tax assesors office (the license plate place) and talk to them. They should be able to steer you in the right direction.
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The BOS is really only there to protect both parties via a written contract.

It's pretty useless when talking about registration or title transfer.
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If you want to get a title for a bike without one, see here:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5008834_buy-car-title.html

Not sure if it works, but it's worth a shot
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:45 AM   #12
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ya, that seems to be the same as the original owner(last owner that the lost title would say) going and applying for a lost title before you purchase the vehicle. what if there wasnt ever a title on the bike?
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New vehicles are bought at dealerships; you should always get a title in the mail when you buy from a dealer
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