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Old 04-24-2011, 12:27 AM   #21
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50? little high dont ya think? rate is about 30-40... depending.. unless you got.. ergonomic manequinns... that are a mold from Kobe Tai? o.O
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:58 AM   #22
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As someone so eloquently stated above, CPR on a broken bone is useless, & CPR in traumatic cardiac arrest is pointless. Even first responder training is pretty lame. BTLS (basic trauma & life support) would be much more practical, especially since we're likely to encounter an event requiring it on rides.

I do this shyt for a living & have found there are really only 2 levels of trauma. One is "they'll live." The other is dead/about to be dead. Really not much you can do in either case. The question is whether or not you can get the about-to-be-dead to the hospital in time.
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I am an EMT as well as AHA BLS/Heartsaver CPR instructor. If there is enough interest I can hold classes. I need min 12 people and 2 weeks notice. Cost is $50 per person and has to be paid upon arrival to the class. PM me if you have questions.

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Cool deal there. That is what my wife paid about 3 weeks ago when you was starting school.
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seems like you'd want to know how to prevent somebody from bleeding out and prevent shock if possible until support arrived..
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:49 AM   #25
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seems like you'd want to know how to prevent somebody from bleeding out and prevent shock if possible until support arrived..
Hence, my suggestion for BTLS over CPR and basic first aid.
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Hence, my suggestion for BTLS over CPR and basic first aid.
Would you care to share some info about BTLS?
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and maybe carry sterile pressure bandages under our seats.....
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BTLS sounds kinda like combat lifesaver course in the Army.... "BTLS Basic - Designed for the EMT-Basic and First Responder, this hands-on training
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course provides education in the initial evaluation and stabilization of the trauma patient."
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Very accurate, Dave. In a nutshell, BTLS teaches you how to properly assess a trauma patient, how to recognize life threatening vs non-life threatening trauma, and how to treat it properly. For example...most people will focus on a scalp wound, which is most often non-life threatening, because it bleeds a lot, & will totally miss the broken ribs that may have punctured a lung.
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BTLS sounds kinda like combat lifesaver course in the Army.... "BTLS Basic - Designed for the EMT-Basic and First Responder, this hands-on training
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assessment, resuscitation, stabilization and transportation of the trauma patient. The
course provides education in the initial evaluation and stabilization of the trauma patient."
Sounds exactly like the training I got in the Corps, I guess I just assumed first aid and CPR training would be similar. My problem is that I haven't even thought about that stuff in a decade. I certainly wouldn't want to have to test myself on it right now.
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I found a place in Galena Park that offers BTLS. I sent them an email today to see about getting a BTLS cert without having an existing EMT or first responder cert. I'll post when I get a response.
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i was certify.... BUT it expired a few years ago...guess I should go find my old health teacher from HS, and do the first aid and cpr and get certify again...
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Sounds exactly like the training I got in the Corps, I guess I just assumed first aid and CPR training would be similar. My problem is that I haven't even thought about that stuff in a decade. I certainly wouldn't want to have to test myself on it right now.
If you've had training, you'd be surprised what will come back to you in a crisis.... refreshers are def good for confidence though...
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I found a place in Galena Park that offers BTLS. I sent them an email today to see about getting a BTLS cert without having an existing EMT or first responder cert. I'll post when I get a response.
Sounds good.
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I am an EMT as well as AHA BLS/Heartsaver CPR instructor. If there is enough interest I can hold classes. I need min 12 people and 2 weeks notice. Cost is $50 per person and has to be paid upon arrival to the class. PM me if you have questions.

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this would be good for people.

You could teach the Males in our group how to properly check if they are dehydrated too
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OK...received my first response from the instructor in Galena Park. He said they do offer BTLS only classes. They actually call it ITLS (International Trauma and Life Support) but it's the same thing. You can get this certification without any other prior or current certification (EMT, CPR, first responder, etc.). I am awaiting a response for rates, minimum class size and possible class dates.

This class will be significantly more expensive than a first responder/CPR class. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $200 per person, and it will last 2 days. I know this is more than most people would want to spend, so I have formulated an idea. When I receive the reply for rates and minimum class size, I say we start first by filling the minimum with seasoned riders who attend group rides most frequently and those with some form of prior medical training, including military. After the minimum is filled, we get as many people as possible to chip in and cover the cost. Let's say the minimum number is 10, and it's $200 per person. If we can get 60 people to chip in, including those on the list, it will come to about $35/person. Small price to pay for having someone trained to keep your a$$ alive until and EMS unit shows up to cart you off to the hospital.

It's just a thought to mull over while I'm waiting for a response from the instructor. Names that come to mind are:

1. Bevo (seasoned/frequency)
2. Senator (seasoned/frequency/current medical)
3. NewRider (frequency)
4. Grimace (prior military medical)
5. Davekg (prior military medical)
6. Sunday Rider (seasoned/frequency)
7. Floyd600 (seems to have his shyt together)

Feel free to recommend others. I'm exhausted. Tired of thinking for the night.
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I know there is a class held called http://www.accidentscene.org/ . Its very cool class. I need to retake it. Just haven't had time to do it. Or classes haven't been while im off the boats.
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