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Old 04-20-2011, 09:00 AM   #21
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Isn't the SV1000S the "successor" to the TL?


Its a good looking bike mocked up like that, but even when the TL was in it's heyday (back in....say...'02 when RC51s were winning AMA superbike championships) it wasn't competitive.
I dont know if you could really call the SV the TL's "successor." The TL was Suzuki's twin liter bike, back when AMA displacement limits were 600for inline 4s and 750 for twins, and then 750 for inlines and 1000 for twins. Once Suzuki threw out the 1000 and AMA allowed the 1000inlines in the big class there was no need for the big racing twins anymore. So the Tiller and the RC went away. The SV was never a thoroughbred race bike, so I think it would be a stretch to call it a successor.

I think it would be more accurate to call the GSXR1000 the successor to the TL. The big class bike bike.
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I dont know if you could really call the SV the TL's "successor." The TL was Suzuki's twin liter bike, back when AMA displacement limits were 600for inline 4s and 750 for twins, and then 750 for inlines and 1000 for twins. Once Suzuki threw out the 1000 and AMA allowed the 1000inlines in the big class there was no need for the big racing twins anymore. So the Tiller and the RC went away. The SV was never a thoroughbred race bike, so I think it would be a stretch to call it a successor.

I think it would be more accurate to call the GSXR1000 the successor to the TL. The big class bike bike.

I know that the SV1000S' motor shares design characteristics with the TL1000.
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I know that the SV1000S' motor shares design characteristics with the TL1000.
I've read somewhere that the sv1000 is supposedly the predecessor for the TL also. Granted the SV's are really nice bikes, they're definitely not TL's.
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I know that the SV1000S' motor shares design characteristics with the TL1000.
Well, thats true. The obviously piggy-backed on the twin R&D they had done, but they bike they shoed it into was not Tl-eqsue.
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As far as I know (and i have a pretty good grasp on the history of these twins) the SV 1000 is based on the TL 1000 but the SV 650 is an over-bored version of the SV400 (not available here in the states)... hence the reason the SV 650 dies if you try to bore and stroke it... the crank snaps within 100 hours ... but the SV1000 is basically a "detuned" version of the TL motor... however the rest of the SV1K is based more or less on the '03+ 650 model (chassis, etc). The only drawback to the TL was the really crappy rear shock (some kind of rotary dampener that was horrible) and the weird heads. The heads on the SV 1k flow much better than the TL (hence the reason it has almost the same power band)... so theoretically... an F.I. TL would be a much better bike with a reworked set of heads and bigger throttle bodies... there are several other things an F.I. TL would benefit from (different ignition system... that dual plug setup was problematic ), etc... if one so desired, one could make a child SV/TL-1k out of an '02-'03 TL and an '03-'05 SV that might be worth something... the hard part would be finding someone to do it for you if you didn't know how... It'd require some serious engineering.

I have a line on an '03 TL1K-R model and might just pick it up to replace the SV I'm on ... I just don't' like the Yellow paint... ugh

We'll see how things pan out this summer... I also have my eye on a CBR1100XX... and mostly I commute on bikes... not race them... so it really boils down to which one is more comfy and has the goodies I lie... Anyway.. going off topic again... sorry...

There are a lot of resources that explain the TL/SV lineage if you just go onto google and do some reading... I'm just a huge fan of V-twin sport bikes... but that may change if I get the blackbird... I'm drooling just thinking about it.... ;^)


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for what it's worth... the RC-51 version of the VTR Honda was basically the same bike but totally purposed for racing and WAY better at that job... so if you're looking for a twin that will haul and put a smile on your face (I speak from experience on this one) the RC was the "pick of the litter"... Just don't think you'll buy it to commute unless your pants are lines with steel plates on the outside and feather pillows on the inside... I rode mine for 3 months as a commuter, and sold it because it was HORRIBLE as a commuter bike. It's a purposeful track machine that'll make any average rider a super star... but it was AWFUL to just poke around on. I'd go with with SV1K for that job... of course, that's also why I'm looking at the CBR1100XX... it's kinda stretched out like a busa with a HUGE foam, banana seat... there I go again off topic... sorry... hope this was helpful..

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dunno... looks like a restyled upper, later style mufflers, wheels and radial brakes.

Wouldn't be that hard to replicate with a decent TLR to start with.. hmmm... a buddy has a couple of them, one in pieces.. may have to hit him up.
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One more idea... have you looked at the Buell 1125R??? It's basically the epitome of V-twin racing bike... I rode one a few weeks ago and it was HEAVENLY!!! Of course, now Buell is defunct... so there are limited numbers of them, but that's the same issue with the TL-R
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Epitome of v-twin racing bikes? Really? You need to get out more.
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Unless you've put some miles on a big thumping twin it's hard to understand the appeal that really draws people in. IMO that's a great looking TL posted at the top of the page, one that I would love to see in the current model year lineup.
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Looks like I'll be getting a donor parts bike to rebuild.

I don't care for the headlights on that pic, but something will have to be done.. maybe an SV1000 or a Triumph Sprint donor.. or I have found some streetfighter style with LEDs that could be reversed engineered

Or mod up an R1 or Ducati upper to the TL lowers...

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It already has the highmount Jardine cans so I'll work around those

Will see if I can mod the Marchesini wheels off my 12R to fit

Also found some big bore kits that get the HP up closer to 150 from the stock 115-120, so that'll make it more 2011/2012 style..

That and put it on a diet.. the TL's were a tad porky but not terrible.

Will be a long term project as budget and time allow.. more as it develops!
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