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Old 04-17-2011, 03:33 PM   #1
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Ok, so... Should you let your Bike's motor idle up to full operating temp BEFORE your 1st ride of the day? or start & go? I'm just curious as to people's oopinion on this...
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:42 PM   #2
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turn key. Go.

It will get to operating temp in a minute.

Todays tech in lubes, and metal engineering have done a lot. If not then what is the purpose of buy. Them?. Years ago? Yes. Today? No.

Again, if you have to wait, for to perform optimum, and you are waiting, waiting,waiting,and putting all the good in. Then you are wasting money. (Or the claims on everything you put in the bike are bogus, since 1930)

Gas n go. (Not saying rev the out of it..just a short drive for a minute or so)

(There were several articles about this in the online news recently, and I agree with em)
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turn key. Go.

It will get to operating temp in a minute.

Todays tech in lubes, and metal engineering have done a lot. If not then what is the purpose of buy. Them?. Years ago? Yes. Today? No.

Again, if you have to wait, for to perform optimum, and you are waiting, waiting,waiting,and putting all the good in. Then you are wasting money. (Or the claims on everything you put in the bike are bogus, since 1930)

Gas n go. (Not saying rev the out of it..just a short drive for a minute or so)

(There were several articles about this in the online news recently, and I agree with em)

no sir....

oil has to follow the law of gravity as well..

overnight, the oil in your engine seeps down to the oil pan, and becomes more viscous due to low temps. you have to let that oil get back up into your valve train and circulate. it doesn't take long, but you still want to let it get through the engine before drive off.

the D-dags at PP1 who rev their cold engines will soon find out the hard way.
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Unless I am running late, I let it warm up. Usually the time it takes me to put my gear on it is already almost there.
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I fire it up and let it idle while I get my helmet and gloves on.

That should let it build oil pressure to protect the main and rod bearings, as well as get oil circulating through the valvetrain andsomewhat through the transmission.

Those first few shifts are always slow and with the clutch, too.
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Old 04-17-2011, 05:07 PM   #7
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Unless I am running late, I let it warm up. Usually the time it takes me to put my gear on it is already almost there.
+1 Usually ready by the time I gear up and lock the house. Can't run mine when it's not warmed up a little.
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no sir....

oil has to follow the law of gravity as well..

overnight, the oil in your engine seeps down to the oil pan, and becomes more viscous due to low temps. you have to let that oil get back up into your valve train and circulate. it doesn't take long, but you still want to let it get through the engine before drive off.

the D-dags at PP1 who rev their cold engines will soon find out the hard way.
Currious about this statement. What would be the difference between warming up or just driving? Either way the oil will get warmed up and begin circulating or is it just that you don't want a load on the engine until the oil circulates.
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+2 on the let it run while I get my gear on. I also let it get close to operating temp before starting to open it up. It might not be necessary but it is good piece of mind to know you are not causing any damage. I feel getting the oil circulated and warmed a bit before running it hard is the best way to go.
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Currious about this statement. What would be the difference between warming up or just driving? Either way the oil will get warmed up and begin circulating or is it just that you don't want a load on the engine until the oil circulates.
RPMs mainly. load on a dry valve train sounds no bueno to me.


yes oil will warm up. I'm more concerned about circulation of oil.
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I've always let my bikes warm up. even if its just while i put gloves and helmet on and close the garage door.
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Currious about this statement. What would be the difference between warming up or just driving? Either way the oil will get warmed up and begin circulating or is it just that you don't want a load on the engine until the oil circulates.
even in my truck i let it warm up. might seem like a waste of time and gas letting it sit for a minute or two on the driveway, but after living in ohio for 5 years and watching ppl bust radiators and even seen a few split blocks, i take the time. granted those were winter mishaps, i still take the time.

you wouldnt just tie your shoes and take off running...you stretch first and let the ol bones loosen up a bit
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Turn key,

Wait ten seconds to allow for sufficient oil circulation (ambient temperature south of Canada is not a factor, no matter what season)

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I let mine warm while I put my helmet and gloves on and give it a quick once over. After that if the temperature gauge doesn't indicate operating temp I just keep the revs down until it does.
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The main reason I posted this question is because the Z1000 uses a manual choke, and I let it idle until it maintains normal idle revs w/o the choke. Apart from plain forgetting it's set once riding, I wonder what effect other than MPG I might be having on the motor if I started off in the 30 secondish bracket after startup..
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Never mind, jeesh I'm in Texas for heavens sake! the motors half way to full operating temp sitting in the garage in summer! LOL!!!
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and becomes more viscous due to low temps.
This is incorrect with today's multi-weight motor oils. In 10w-30, the 10 is the cold weight. The 30 is the hot weight. Its slightly more complicated than that, but the fact of the matter is, the oil thins out when cool.
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The main reason I posted this question is because the Z1000 uses a manual choke, and I let it idle until it maintains normal idle revs w/o the choke. Apart from plain forgetting it's set once riding, I wonder what effect other than MPG I might be having on the motor if I started off in the 30 secondish bracket after startup..
FWIW, I've had my Z1000 since October, and haven't used the choke since I bought it. Gotta love fuel injection
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I use my 14 as a daily rider and have had many bikes before for the same purpose. All FI bikes besides my 250 and ex500.......... I only had to let the 250 and 500 "warm up" all other bikes I have had no issue. Im not saying you should rap the rpms out or anything, warm or cold for that matter, but I really see no danger is the start and go approach.
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This is incorrect with today's multi-weight motor oils. In 10w-30, the 10 is the cold weight. The 30 is the hot weight. Its slightly more complicated than that, but the fact of the matter is, the oil thins out when cool.
Thats the text book answer. Although if you ever changed the oil on a scalding hot car you know it runs out like water when hot, and like syrup when its cold. I can attest to 10-30 castrol synthetic, as well as 10-60 castol TWS (Texas World Speedway) motorsport oil. Its all physically thicker when cold. No matter what its truly supposed to be.


To the op, like mentioned above. Its takes all of 10 seconds or so for the average motor to have full oil pressure. After that just keep the revs down till its close to operating temp.
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