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View Poll Results: Do you use the clutch?
Yes 11 50.00%
No 4 18.18%
only upshifting 1 4.55%
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:27 PM   #101
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Wow.. All this speculation, and name calling. Yet the first person to answer the question, then bash everyone elses answer is WRONG. Yet he doesnt even know why.

Whats all the BULLSHIT about matching input/output speeds? Are you for real? Does anyone actually understand why you can clutchless-shift a motorcycle so easy, yet its really hard to do in a car?

Answer that, and then quote what "the trav" said to show him how clueless he is.

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In cars they call it a dog box. Its nearly identical in every way to how a motorcycle trans works. There is no synchro's, only big "teeth" that mesh together to put power to the ground. Sheesh
Do tell how it works brother, the floor is yours. Explain to me how what i stated is incorrect?
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:34 PM   #102
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the concept is matching input/output speeds. Now, with a motorcycle transmission being constant mesh, everything is constantly in sync. this is why it is so easy to blip the throttle and shift when the gears are not under load. up or down. it works the same, just with opposite throttle input.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:37 PM   #103
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In cars they call it a dog box. Its nearly identical in every way to how a motorcycle trans works. There is no synchro's, only big "teeth" that mesh together to put power to the ground. Sheesh

The thing you failed to mention is that a motorcyle trans cant get out of synch with the engine besides in neutral or clutch pulled in. There is no input/output matching since the shift forks run off a drum instead of an h-pattern like a car. So you only shift through neutral going to 2nd. Any other gear goes right from one to the next assuming your trans isnt jacked up.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:42 PM   #104
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The concept of clutchless shifting IS matching input/output speeds. just like i said in the very beginning.

I guess i am terribly sorry for assuming that people understood how a motorcycle transmission works.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:44 PM   #105
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Personal preference. And skill set. If you can do it well it does not hurt anything. If you cant then wear out more cables and clutch.
i think we found a winner well ill take that as the answer i was looking for when i first started the thread lol. like i said i just did it on accident but it was so much smoother than using the clutch, so i wanted to make sure it wasn't going to hurt anything. thanks again /
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The concept of clutchless shifting IS matching input/output speeds. just like i said in the very beginning.

I guess i am terribly sorry for assuming that people understood how a motorcycle transmission works.

Maybe Im confused by what you are trying to say, but what are you "matching"? Blipping the throttle just take the stress off the gears to allow a shift. Nothing is being changed between the engine and tranny speeds. Are you trying to relate it to rev-matching a car?
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You are all wrong. It is impossible to shift without using the clutch.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:57 PM   #108
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:58 PM   #109
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Maybe Im confused by what you are trying to say, but what are you "matching"? Blipping the throttle just take the stress off the gears to allow a shift. Nothing is being changed between the engine and tranny speeds. Are you trying to relate it to rev-matching a car?
no no no. i mean that the actual concept of cluthless shifting is all about the control of the input and output shaft speeds.

with a motorcycle trans, it takes care of this part (the matching speeds part) for you by constantly being meshed.

its just your job to either take the load off of the gears by blipping the throttle (open to downshift, closed to upshift), or disengage the clutch to take the load off of the gears.
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Old 04-07-2011, 06:32 PM   #111
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Its those things you use to help you walk when you break your leg right?

And clutchless shifting is when you can wiggle your crippled around without the help of them.
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WHAT THE IS A CLUTCH???
It's that lever you push with your foot so you can shift. I don't know about you, but I'm always getting my foot caught in the handlebars
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The shift forks slide on 2 shafts. The rear of the fork is riding a groove on the shift drum. When you change gears you make the drum rotate. That in turn makes the forks push the gear over just enough for the dogs inside the gears grab and lock together. All the force is then applied across the shaft. The clutch fibers and steels mesh together with force applied by small springs. Keep in mind its cork against steel. All power is cut to the wheel when the clutch is pulled and a rod separates the cork from steel contact. The inner and outer hub are no longer meshed.

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Here is the drum and shows the contact with the fork
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Here is a worn fork
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Here is the gears on one shaft
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Here is how the mesh inside
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Maybe Im confused by what you are trying to say, but what are you "matching"? Blipping the throttle just take the stress off the gears to allow a shift. Nothing is being changed between the engine and tranny speeds. Are you trying to relate it to rev-matching a car?

easy fuc#ng answer yes you can shift up and down,, on a car ,truck and etc, my personal fact yes i had a 94 mustanf std i shifted up w no problems as long as the rpms were right and gear would go in smoth had the car when it had 86k miles till 192xx miles b4 i sold it never did the ckutch or trans give me problems same w my 99 f250 std work truck just use it to get out of first after that i dont use it,

so yes the trav is right he just dnt want to sound like a nerd been all educated about it..

if u cant shift or ride your rpms dont try it upshifting or down!!
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easy fuc#ng answer yes you can shift up and down,, on a car ,truck and etc, my personal fact yes i had a 94 mustanf std i shifted up w no problems as long as the rpms were right and gear would go in smoth had the car when it had 86k miles till 192xx miles b4 i sold it never did the ckutch or trans give me problems same w my 99 f250 std work truck just use it to get out of first after that i dont use it,

so yes the trav is right he just dnt want to sound like a nerd been all educated about it..

if u cant shift or ride your rpms dont try it upshifting or down!!
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So that really small gear right next to your finger is for reverse then . . . . right?
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