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View Poll Results: Do you use the clutch?
Yes 11 50.00%
No 4 18.18%
only upshifting 1 4.55%
Only Downshifting 4 18.18%
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:42 AM   #81
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So you read all of your manuals. I suppose you also never spead. or not use your blinkers and you must always follow the 3 second rule right. Or do you pick the arguments that are written to fight online about.

SO basically you are a troll. ><
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My posts and testimony from a few other members can tell you I'm not a troll. I was talking about reading a manual for info on clutchless shifting, and you had to bring in speeding and use of blinkers. really now?....

I have done this before. I know people that do it all the time, some have never had a problem, some have though. All I'm saying is clutchless shifting is a skill that can be worthwhile to learn, but definitely not the end all be all of shifting through a manual transmission. Like said before, if you can't match the revs, it can't be good for the bike. Meaning you can have good skills and bad skills. Bad skills usually make things break eventually.
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:46 AM   #82
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That sure sounds official. Care to explain why?
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The clutch is there...

...to make life easier on the operator. That's about it. In a car, they are also not much needed if you know how to do it.


Most drivers, and riders, don't have enough spare mental cycles to calculate the necessary place to shift, and they want to shift when they want to - not when its best. The clutch makes it easier to do this.


Do i use mine? Most of the time - yeah, but not all the time. Of course, I ride a half-ton beast with the finest transmission HD could obtain from John Deere. (or was it Kubota? , may have been Caterpillar) and I ride it a little more, shall we say, aggressively than HD probably had in mind when they designed it, so getting the input/output speeds to match when you're hovering near red line all the time, isn't that easy. On the admittedly rare occasions when I ride it like a RUB, i don't use the clutch.
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:28 PM   #86
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+1

I think the important note is that it works "like butter" for awhile...

Everyone has ridden "that" bike where the owner didn't KNOW how to use the clutch and 2nd/3rd fork was non existent.
Oh great, now you tell me.

I've been clutchless shifting for 82,350 miles on my FJR and NOW you tell it's going to go to ?

It's no longer going to shift like butter as it does and has always done?

Crikey.

This topic comes up from time to time on all the motorcycle forums with some swearing it is the quickest route to the end of the world.

Then you have others, like me, who have done it countless number of times for tens of thousands of miles on multiple bikes and never, ever had a transmission problem with any of them. Ever...

Clutchless upshifting on a bike in normal riding (not WFO) doesn't "hurt" a darned thing. But you miss one clutchless shift at WFO and you might not like the possible results.
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OMG - what in the world is WRONG with you dude????????
Everyone knows it's "Criokey" !!!!!!!
What? Like you've never been "down Under"?

ha - this thread is amazing. Write more!! ha ha ha
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Complete reading comprehension is a skill I can't teach you. Please refer to post #81.

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Oh great, now you tell me.

I've been clutchless shifting for 82,350 miles on my FJR and NOW you tell it's going to go to ?

It's no longer going to shift like butter as it does and has always done?

Crikey.

This topic comes up from time to time on all the motorcycle forums with some swearing it is the quickest route to the end of the world.

Then you have others, like me, who have done it countless number of times for tens of thousands of miles on multiple bikes and never, ever had a transmission problem with any of them. Ever...

Clutchless upshifting on a bike in normal riding (not WFO) doesn't "hurt" a darned thing. But you miss one clutchless shift at WFO and you might not like the possible results.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:18 PM   #89
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Complete reading comprehension is a skill I can't teach you. Please refer to post #81.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that post 81 (using # and 81 is redundent because 81 is a number and won't be mistaken for something else) was the final word on this topic.

Pardon me for stating my own experience and for qualifying the difference between "normal" day to day shifting and wide open throttle shifting.

Go over to the ST-1300 and FJR-1300 owners forums and ask them how many have shifted countless thousands of times on many bikes and never had an issue. Those guys really ride.

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that post 81 (using # and 81 is redundent because 81 is a number and won't be mistaken for something else) was the final word on this topic.

Pardon me for stating my own experience and for qualifying the difference between "normal" day to day shifting and wide open throttle shifting.

(3)Go over to the ST-1300 and FJR-1300 owners forums and ask them how many have shifted countless thousands of times on many bikes and never had an issue. Those guys really ride.
HOLY ! Did your ADD kick in, you focus on the "#", and not read the post again? I have agreed with you about most not having any problems(Part 3 of your most intelligent post). I'm speaking for a minority that might have a problem if they don't learn to do it right, which you also mentioned in your post at 12:28 (since I can't qoute post numbers for you).

So what I'm getting from you is that there are people who have "shifted countless thousands of times on many bikes and never had an issue", but
"you miss one clutchless shift at WFO and you might not like the possible results."

Right, got it. 90% of the time it works every time.
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I clutchless shift at WOT nearly all the time (several 100 1/4 mile passes). I just had my gears out and race cut and the only sign or wear was one fork. I know exactly when I did that. It was not clutchless shifting either.
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I could clutchless shift on my 94 cbr and 98 gsxr, I'd usually still at least blip the clutch though. Never was that great downshifting though. Tried to do it once on my 96 magna and I thought I lost my tranny. I'm sure others have had better luck doing this with cruisers, but with my current 88 magna I refuse to even attempt it.
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HOLY ! Did your ADD kick in, you focus on the "#", and not read the post again? I have agreed with you about most not having any problems(Part 3 of your most intelligent post). I'm speaking for a minority that might have a problem if they don't learn to do it right, which you also mentioned in your post at 12:28 (since I can't qoute post numbers for you).

So what I'm getting from you is that there are people who have "shifted countless thousands of times on many bikes and never had an issue", but
"you miss one clutchless shift at WFO and you might not like the possible results."

Right, got it. 90% of the time it works every time.
We never had ADD when I was growing up. We just said they were "slow".
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so what's the overall outcome exactally? clutch, or no clutch, im sure this might get it another 5 pages :p
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so what's the overall outcome exactally? clutch, or no clutch, im sure this might get it another 5 pages :p

Personal preference. And skill set. If you can do it well it does not hurt anything. If you cant then wear out more cables and clutch.
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Personal preference. And skill set. If you can do it well it does not hurt anything. If you cant then wear out more cables and clutch.
+1 but if you miss clutchless shift, could be bad too.

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Wow.. All this speculation, and name calling. Yet the first person to answer the question, then bash everyone elses answer is WRONG. Yet he doesnt even know why.

Whats all the BULLSHIT about matching input/output speeds? Are you for real? Does anyone actually understand why you can clutchless-shift a motorcycle so easy, yet its really hard to do in a car?

Answer that, and then quote what "the trav" said to show him how clueless he is.

*hint*
In cars they call it a dog box. Its nearly identical in every way to how a motorcycle trans works. There is no synchro's, only big "teeth" that mesh together to put power to the ground. Sheesh

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