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View Poll Results: Do you use the clutch?
Yes 11 50.00%
No 4 18.18%
only upshifting 1 4.55%
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:17 PM   #41
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I use the clutch. Call me old fashioned.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:19 PM   #42
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its their for a reason, as it unloads the gears to alow a smooth match up of the gear your going into. sure it can be done "clutchless" but when you accelerate and it slips in and out of gear due to bent shift forks because you messed up or forced it into gear by accident trying to clutchless shift u will regret being lazy or whatever you call it.
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No issue with it at all. I always upshift without the clutch and most of the time downshift as well. As long as you unload the trans with a blipp of the throttle it should shift as smooth as if you had the clutch pulled in. When at the drag strip I just kept a constant pressure on the shifter and when it was time to shift I could let off just enough for me to shift and not loose a lot of time/momentum. Shifted just as good as if I used the clutch only faster.
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I use the clutch. Call me old fashioned.
ur old fashioned!!! and smart. I've always used it and enjoy the experience. i've tried auto-tiptronic in cars, and that's extremely unsatisfying
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:48 PM   #46
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I up shift and down shift without clutching 90% of the time.
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I dont clutch often at all
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there's no access door on 600 cc bikes. So if you mess something up on your learning curve of clutchless shifting, have fun splitting your engine cases.
if not done correctly your going to where on the 'dog ears', shift forks etc.
Then gears (2-3 ect.) start jumping out. I wouldn't due it on a 600 unless you know what your doing or don't care about your tranny....
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there's no access door on 600 cc bikes. So if you mess something up on your learning curve of clutchless shifting, have fun splitting your engine cases.
if not done correctly your going to where on the 'dog ears', shift forks etc.
Then gears (2-3 ect.) start jumping out. I wouldn't due it on a 600 unless you know what your doing or don't care about your tranny....
why does it matter if it's a 600 or not?
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i don't know of a 600cc bike that you can access the transmission without splitting the engine cases. On larger displacement bikes there's an access door where you can remove the transmission for repairs or change gear ratio's etc.. On a 600cc bike you have to pull the engine and split the engine case's to access the transmission.
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That sure as is not the case on the Busas.
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i don't know of a 600cc bike that you can access the transmission without splitting the engine cases. On larger displacement bikes there's an access door where you can remove the transmission for repairs or change gear ratio's etc.. On a 600cc bike you have to pull the engine and split the engine case's to access the transmission.
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I don't understand how you match rpm to road speed without using the clutch. Nor do I understand how blipping the throttle unloads the gearbox. If you roll off the throttle there's a moment where there's no pressure on either face of the gear or engagement dogs, but if you blip you're just removing the load from one face, and putting it on the other.
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I don't understand how you match rpm to road speed without using the clutch. Nor do I understand how blipping the throttle unloads the gearbox. If you roll off the throttle there's a moment where there's no pressure on either face of the gear or engagement dogs, but if you blip you're just removing the load from one face, and putting it on the other.
Roll off for up-shift, very small blip for downshift.

Depending what gear/speed I'm in, I can roll off downshift, too.
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i was just curious, what do most people do when it comes to shifting? i was driving around this morning, and i bliped my throttle and it just shifted up to 3rd / 4th ect like it was butter. what do you guys do? and what are the pro's con's of doing this?
Bliped means you opened the throttle quickly. Are you sure that's what you did?
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its their for a reason, as it unloads the gears to alow a smooth match up of the gear your going into. sure it can be done "clutchless" but when you accelerate and it slips in and out of gear due to bent shift forks because you messed up or forced it into gear by accident trying to clutchless shift u will regret being lazy or whatever you call it.
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I think the important note is that it works "like butter" for awhile...

Everyone has ridden "that" bike where the owner didn't KNOW how to use the clutch and 2nd/3rd fork was non existent.
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What came first - the chicken or the desire to grill up that sucker and eat it??
Multi gear bicycles don't have a clutch. You match your peddle speed to the sprocket speed and it's a smooth shift.
I've designed gears and gear shifting systems for over 20 years. Now I'm a rocket scientist and I paint bikes as a hobby - go figure... A clutch is a mechanism to ease the transition between unmatched rpms between the power input source and the power transmission mechanism connected to the load source. If rpms can be matched there is no need for a mechanical clutch.
In many electric engine applications rpm sensors in the transmission temporarily control the electric engines speed to match all rpms in the transmission at the exact time the gears are shifted. No mechanical clutch.
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How often does that perfectly happen on a motorcycle though...
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I switch between both just depends on what I'm doing. It works pretty well on the 250 but after reading this I'm still not clear on what is "best."
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Airshifters do it, quick shifters do it, and the throttle used right will do it.
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hey senator do you use your front brake? i know i dont, i can stop just fine with the rear alone. i dont even know why its there.
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