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Old 04-05-2011, 11:28 AM   #1
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I'd like to propose a topic for conversation. A Graduated Licensing System for motorcycle/scooter licenses. Lets keep this civil, with as many relevant facts/figures as possible.

I'm referring to something similar to overseas, where you must do X amount of time on a smaller bike, before you can "graduate" to riding the bigger bikes.

This may or may not include not riding at night for X amount of time, etc.

What say you? There is no legislature coming down the pipeline concerning this, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that they'd do it- this is just a conversation about the topic.
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:29 AM   #2
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I don't like the idea
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:34 AM   #5
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Good idea, but the logistics of putting it together, then trying to ENFORCE it, is what would bottom out.

Americans don't abide by rules as well as Europeans in the general sense IMO.
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Europeans have a different mind set about a lot of things... I don't won't bigger government... to big and to much debt already.
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It's a good idea. It seems like dealers would love it too. It would encourage repeat customers and longer-term customers.
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It's a good idea. It seems like dealers would love it too. It would encourage repeat customers and longer-term customers.
I dont think the dealers would love it too much.

A large chunk of people that walk into a stealership and buy a bike are gonna wad it and never ride again. The dealerships are only going to have the one shot at that purchase, and they'll wanna sell them the priciest bike they can.
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:43 AM   #9
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I am all for it, obviously none of us would be effected and it would help new riders who obviously do not need 150 horsepower live long enough to get a second bike.
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does it matter the size of the bike? if someone doesn't know how to ride it, then they are going to get hit, regardless... the only way i would see it helping is to stop people from actually going 150... but lets be real, that doesn't happen THAT much with new riders they just don't go that fast. And other than not knowing how to turn, like the one guy a few weeks ago that just jumped off his bike? that would of happened if he was on a 1k or a 250... or the guys that got hit by cars, they still would of gotten hit, vs any size bike. so i personally think it's a not so good of an idea. just gives people MORE reasons to become illegal riders. half the people on bikes don't even have a class M, and you really think they are going to abide by engine size restrictions?
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I would just do an IQ test at the age of 16. Set a standard minimum and use it for everything. Motorcycle license, purchase of firearms, internet access, buying lawnmowers, etc.
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I dont think the dealers would love it too much.

A large chunk of people that walk into a stealership and buy a bike are gonna wad it and never ride again. The dealerships are only going to have the one shot at that purchase, and they'll wanna sell them the priciest bike they can.

On one hand, the dealer can currently plop a squid on the most expensive/fastest bike they have, and scoot them on out the door. They wad it up a week later, the bike is a total loss, and if the rider survives he likely will never want to ride again, because to him "motorcycles are DANGEROUS!"

On the other hand, with a graduated system, a dealer could get someone set up with a 250 or whatever is small/legal. Under the system, the rider would likely have to have taken the MSF and been licensed in order to purchase the bike. He buys his gear, buys the bike, and is out the door. IN THEORY, the rider is more responsible and puts his miles on the bike. This leads to mainenance revenue for the dealership. Upon "graduation," the rider returns to the original dealer, where he trades up and hands more cash over to the dealer for his newer, bigger bike. In this instance, the dealership gets the sale of two bikes, maintenance on two bikes, as well as the mark-up on the re-sale of the original smaller bike- which is in high demand due to the new law.

Yeah, it is undoubtedly far-fetched, and takes place in a perfect world far-far off, but this is how I imagine it would benefit the dealers.

Then, on the other (third) hand, do I really want the government telling me what to do? Haven't they intruded into my life and decisions enough? What do I care if someone is naive enough to try and ride a liter bike as their first bike and off's themself? Darwin at work, right? Do I just hope they don't catapult into a family of four heading home from church? The .gov can't possibly stop that from happening, right?

Tons of questions that will possibly never be answered, but questions that should be asked nontheless.
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I am from the UK and they have had a tiered licensing system for years. It used to be

16 = (no Test required) 50cc and governed to 35 mph
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once you passed your test you could then ride anything and many friends did, right up until they hit something solid :(

Before I got to 17 they changed the rules so that at 17 the biggest thing you could ride without a test was a 125. I am 6ft 6 tall and weigh the wrong side of 260 so rather than subject a poor 125 to pulling my fat around I chose to go the car route.

30 years later at the young age of 47 I decided that since the US had a much more liberal licensing system I'd buy a bike. 2 days with the mob from Awesome Cycles and I was fully qualified to ride round a night club parking lot so I went out and bought an FZ6, started slow and am still having a blast over a year later.

I believe the UK system now encompasses age as well as experience when you pass tests. They limit the bike you can ride and when you can ride it, not by engine size, but by HP. Someone told me that the Japanese limit the size of bike you can ride by saying that you can't ride a bike you can't pikck up if it falls. Not sure that is correct, but it sure makes sense.
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I'd like to propose a topic for conversation. A Graduated Licensing System for motorcycle/scooter licenses. Lets keep this civil, with as many relevant facts/figures as possible.

I'm referring to something similar to overseas, where you must do X amount of time on a smaller bike, before you can "graduate" to riding the bigger bikes.

This may or may not include not riding at night for X amount of time, etc.

What say you? There is no legislature coming down the pipeline concerning this, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that they'd do it- this is just a conversation about the topic.
no. no and no.

If i wanted to go get a busa as my first bike, i well better be able to. I get the purpose behind the idea and think it's a good idea but this is America. Screw any more restrictions set in place by our government telling us what is good for us. If Bubba can die for his country voluntarily serving in the armed forces, he should be able to go buy any bike of his choice and risk killing himself on that too.
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I have a friend from the UK. He bought an old 250. Put it in his Garage and then sold it a year later and got the bike he wanted. He only rode it a few times. The only reason he got it was cause of the system. I would probably do the same thing. In theory it works, but there is always people trying to get around the system.
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Coming from a place where the only thing you need to pass is an eye test to get a learner's permit and then a road test to get a full, unrestricted license, I have seen a lot of kids go too crazy on bikes they are not mature enough for or not sized for them. These same kids often get into accidents while showing off for friends, etc.

If I understand the law here properly, you can take MSF and then get your full license, correct? Seems pretty good to me. But, if I remember correctly, you can still get your license through other means without MSF. That is the part that worries me.
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The MSF needs to be more extensive here. How does driving around a parking lot teach you about interacting and merging with traffic? The theory part is good and the riding portion does teach some important riding techniques but another day where you go out into traffic with an instructor would go along way IMO.
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Coming from a place where the only thing you need to pass is an eye test to get a learner's permit and then a road test to get a full, unrestricted license, I have seen a lot of kids go too crazy on bikes they are not mature enough for or not sized for them. These same kids often get into accidents while showing off for friends, etc.

If I understand the law here properly, you can take MSF and then get your full license, correct? Seems pretty good to me. But, if I remember correctly, you can still get your license through other means without MSF. That is the part that worries me.
You used to be able to go to DPS, pass a written test, and take a riding test to get your license. The MSF would take place of a riding test, if you had the MSF under your belt.

Here recently, they changed it to where you MUST take the MSF for a license. This is a definite step in the right direction- I'd like to see numbers on motorcycle fatalities since this new rule was implemented.
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