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Old 04-04-2011, 01:47 PM   #41
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I think most of my income tax money is spent paying off interest from debt that was racked up back in the 60's-80's with the Cold War and the War on Drugs.

Your tax money that you believe to be spent on welfare and illegal gimmigrants (sp) with any luck may be paid off by your children's children unless of course something better pops up. Like feasibility studies for trips to Mars for mining purposes, war with or in Mexico regarding drugs the pharma companies don't like, or better yet to invade Canada there is oil in them there hills up north and it is hella closer than just about any other oil producing country.

I was actually thinking the Grocers supply truck that delivers groceries to the local grocery store paid their vehicle's taxes so they could continue to operate legally. I was thinking the UPS truck that drops off bike parts at the store may also pay taxes on it's vehicle similar to the taxes that get paid on your or my motor vehicle. And no one can get away from the gas tax, unless of course you are running that new super secret bad engine that runs off of unicorns and rainbows. Iirc even biodiesel or the waste veggie diesel is supposed to pay some sort of gas tax. All of those taxes get rolled into the final cost passed onto the consumer bicyclist or motorist.

In addition to that I never drive to the grocery store why the do I have to pay for the property taxes on that big parking lot? That gets passed onto the consumer I don't have some 4000lb paperweight sucking up space that could be leased out to someone or something else. I can lock up to the light pole by the street, I don't wanna pay for a parking lot that is empty 80% of the time.
tax cyclists. That will teach them to ride on 3090
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:54 PM   #42
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streets/roads are for things with motors these days

why not let horse drawn wagons on the roads too?

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Old 04-04-2011, 01:55 PM   #43
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All of the riding groups I have ridden with make an effort to maintain a consistent line single file, use the shoulder when it is usable, and only ride two abreast when the leader is dropping back. We have very similar hand signals for debris and road hazards as motorcycles. We try to call up and warn for approaching or passing vehicles. Bottom line is - there are idiots who will selfishly be inconsiderate of others no matter where they fall on the horsepower / size food chain.

One thing I will say... when you take the time to pedal your way up hill or for a couple hundred miles in a couple of days, you will truly appreciate what your motorcycle has to accomplish when you run up an onramp at 90mph. Stamina, efficiency... its all good prep for the track too - leg strength. Don't hate... appreciate! (oh wait... wrong thread.)
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:59 PM   #44
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I am, how about you?

I have also been pulled over on a bicycle on more than one occasion they always ask the same questions. Do you know why I pulled you over and may I see your drivers license. In Houston you are supposed to get a bike permit from the Houston Fire Department. Cops on the other hand never check to see if you have one. I have done my part for following the rules.
What do you mean how about me? I do not ride bicycles.

I didn't know you had to be licensed. I just assumed that you didn't need anything. Okay... it's better than nothing but i'm curious why the fire department? What do they know about issuing licenses to ride on public roadways? I would think the DPS would be best suited for that sort of thing...
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In Houston you are supposed to get a bike permit from the Houston Fire Department.
Nope. If someone is issuing permits, it isn't the fire department. The city ordinance requiring bicycle registration within the city limits was repealed under Bill White. They talked about bringing it back, (purely for an additional source of income, I'm sure), but never did.
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...and on that note - a couple of weeks back on 149 we were riding (motorcycle) and came to the crest of a hill. Coming the opposite way were two bicyclists who had just reached the crest of the same hill. They were obviously exhausted. They were side by side, and taking up 2/3 of their lane. The woman on the outside position was weaving back and forth from working so hard on the hill. As I watched them disappear behind the hill in my rearview, I see an white lifted GMC pickup approaching in the oncoming lane at well over the speed limit. I can only imagine his surprise when he crested the same hill and found the two barely creeping along in his lane. In my minds eye I saw either a disintegrated bicyclist or a rolled truck trying to avoid them. Like I said - idiots are everywhere.
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I am, how about you?

I have also been pulled over on a bicycle on more than one occasion they always ask the same questions. Do you know why I pulled you over and may I see your drivers license. In Houston you are supposed to get a bike permit from the Houston Fire Department. Cops on the other hand never check to see if you have one. I have done my part for following the rules.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/6111553.html

Also couldn't find it here:
http://library.municode.com/index.as...tateName=Texas

Maybe I missed it
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/\ coming from a cyclist, that is scary as . I've been in groups like that with no where to go many times. And yes, I know that is a critical mass creep through a city, but still.


You guys do realize that 99% of the cyclists pay all the same taxes you do, right?
Which vehicle I decide to cruise the country roads in/on shouldn't matter.
Until my bicycle starts earning it's own way, it isn't going to be paying any taxes for itself.

And...if I did pay taxes, would all ya'll stfu about bicycles being on the road? Really, is that the issue?

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Huge case of road rage, but they should not of been impeding traffic....
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:28 PM   #51
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What do you mean how about me? I do not ride bicycles.

I didn't know you had to be licensed. I just assumed that you didn't need anything. Okay... it's better than nothing but i'm curious why the fire department? What do they know about issuing licenses to ride on public roadways? I would think the DPS would be best suited for that sort of thing...
It is all good put some fun between your legs get out there and ride you might find you like it, it is never too late to start.

The DPS can't get all the unlicensed people in cars or on motorcycles licensed why overburden them with bicycles.

I am not sure why the fire department did the registration, and was unaware that was repealed under Mayor Bill. It has been a while since I purchased a new bike. They were little yellow numbered stickers went on the seat tube.

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Horse and buggy I saw a few of those downtown over the weekend, they are usually there every weekend regardless of the Final Four being in town. HPD still ride the horses downtown during the week. When I was riding through the North side two weeks ago I also saw some kids off of little york riding a horse down the street.
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I've got no problem with 99.5% of the bicyclists I come upon while riding my motorcycle or driving my car.

It's the small, less than 1% that make a point to ride 4 across a lane to make a point. They are usually the same ones that run stop signs, or ignore lights. I like to think of them as the bicyclist equivelant to our squids. NOT the majority.

They are a risk to the safety of the general public due to the difference in closing speed mainly. I have even tried honking, reving the motor, etc to get by them. The reality is that if I have to slow to 15-20 mph, and can't get past due to oncoming traffic, I am concerned about the next motorcycle or car coming around the blind (or limited sight) turn at 60 mph (or faster) that may take me out.

While leading a motorcycle group, I am good to put a leg out to indicate we are coming up on cyclist, we then all shift over to allow them room. This is in the same lane, or opposite lane in case a car is trying to get around them. We usually get a wave or nod when we safely pass them.

To be honest, after this weekend, I was more at the occassional slower motorcyclist (you can guess what type) that refused to move over from the center line and let a larger, faster group pass by while they enjoyed the scenery at 45 mph.

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I follow the same rules everyone else does, but when I am out on the bike I expect to be given a fair amount of space. I mean I am not going to ride the middle of the road but I not going to ride on the edge of the road just because someone on their motorcycle feels i should.

Either way I am getting ready for the MS150 so kiss my .
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From what I've seen it wouldn't hurt a few motorcyclist here to grab a two wheeler without an engine as well.
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Now wait a minute.......
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From what I've seen it wouldn't hurt a few motorcyclist here to grab a two wheeler without an engine as well.
I get 40-60 miles in a week on a bicycle and still can't drop those last 40 pounds must have something to do with the garbage I eat when I go out for rides on my other bike.
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I get 40-60 miles in a week on a bicycle and still can't drop those last 40 pounds must have something to do with the garbage I eat when I go out for rides on my other bike.
I've slacked off riding. Used to go out 3-4 times a week, now it's maybe once a week. Still 6' and 170lbs give or take 3 though.
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Not sure what taxes has to do with it, I just have a problem with 3-5 wide on uphills and no attempt to move over and get single file. I deal with this everyday on the feeder road here. Just not safe.

Not to mention the hundreds of them I had to deal with on the feeder road Saturday as they were obviously having a group ride of some sort. No signs or warning to what was up, and they were taking up the whole road for miles. Why not close the road till they were done. What do you do then, seat behind them for almost an hour?
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(this ain't to you, woodsguy - it just happens to be the next post after yours)

None of this talk about cyclists paying taxes, registration, insurance, etc. matters one bit. Cyclists could be paying thousands of dollars a year for all of the above and people will still about them. It wouldn't change anything. The bottom line is that such talk is nothing more than an attempt to justify the fact that a lot of folks just don't want cyclists on the roads, period. Same with the complaints like "But, but... they don't obey traffic laws!!!". So what - neither does anyone else.

No need to make up B.S. excuses - if you just don't like them then go ahead and say so and be done with it.
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