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Old 03-28-2011, 06:55 AM   #21
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my advice since you have only one trackday...

do another, ask as many questions as you want if you dont wanna ask in class pull a instructor aside and ask there more than willing to help.. no question is a stupid question

take your time, take it slow and the speed and confidence will come


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if you are downshifting you have to raise your rpms.

'blipping' may be throwing you off, try to think of it in different terms - all you are trying to do is get the rpm's higher so you dont dive in front and fishtail the rear. I had some trouble with this a while back when i started riding the 250 and running way higher rpm's than my old 1000.

when you pull the clutch its going to drop your rpm's to idle speed. if you release the clutch while the rpm's are that low and you just downshifted then the rpm's are going to spike, the bike will try to stop and you're probably going to endo. The solution to that is pull in the clutch and give it gas to keep the rpm's high so when you start to release the clutch the engine speed is already met so its a smooth transition with no surprises. 'blipping' is just a quick way to do all that, so you dont have to baby the gas while you're clutching..

'blip' the throttle, rpm's boost, you clutch and shift and by the time to release the clutch in the new gear the rpm's are still 'blipped' higher and you dont dive.

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Should I look at my speedometer or rpm while down shifting?

I want to work on speed but worried about down shifting correctly and making the turn as smooth as possible.
No, while riding on the track, do not look at the speedo or the RPM. As Brandt said, your focus should be on looking through (ahead of) the curve. With some seat time (this is the most important aspect of riding, BTW), you'll start to feel the RPMs on your bike and then you'll feel the gear you will need to be in.


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I know I'm not down shifting correctly

I thought blipping was for more advance riders..
From your avatar, it seems you ride a CBR600RR, right? If so, your bike does not come with a slipper clutch from factory. For that reason, your bike would feel a little more rought when shifting. I'd suggest you get an STM slipper clutch or start learning how to blip the throttle.

Anyway, the most important thing is seat time and have fun, the rest will come eventually
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if you are downshifting you have to raise your rpms.

'blipping' may be throwing you off, try to think of it in different terms - all you are trying to do is get the rpm's higher so you dont dive in front and fishtail the rear. I had some trouble with this a while back when i started riding the 250 and running way higher rpm's than my old 1000.

when you pull the clutch its going to drop your rpm's to idle speed. if you release the clutch while the rpm's are that low and you just downshifted then the rpm's are going to spike, the bike will try to stop and you're probably going to endo. The solution to that is pull in the clutch and give it gas to keep the rpm's high so when you start to release the clutch the engine speed is already met so its a smooth transition with no surprises. 'blipping' is just a quick way to do all that, so you dont have to baby the gas while you're clutching..

'blip' the throttle, rpm's boost, you clutch and shift and by the time to release the clutch in the new gear the rpm's are still 'blipped' higher and you dont dive.
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ok, for me to get a better understanding on this..

how will spiking the rpms result in a endo?

I understand that it can make the rear tire hop around but endo?
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ok, for me to get a better understanding on this..

how will spiking the rpms result in a endo?

I understand that it can make the rear tire hop around but endo?
all i meant was if you're at speed and holding the clutch in and then let it go without matching (like a big downshift w/o blipping) then you're probably going over the front when it catches.
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wait.....wut? You look behind you in every turn?
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Should I look at my speedometer or rpm while down shifting?

A lot of instructors (inlcuding Keith Code of the California Superbike School - writer of the aforementioned 'Twist of the Wrist') recommend taping over your speedometer on the track. It doesn't provide any useful information, and is one more "sensation of speed" that will activate your natural "oh , I'm going to fast" responses prematurely. My trackturd has the speedometer completely disconnected.

In fact, I know several instructors that recommend taping off the bottom half of the tach on a standard 600 as well; if you can't see the needle, you need to be down a gear. This I'd leave till you're a bit more experienced.

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nope, it's a skill for everyone at any level. A lot of newer SS bikes have slipper clutches but it is still a good habit to have.

Just like clutchless upshifts... all a part of the basic tool box.
Blip shifting is a skill that everyone needs to forget about entirely. The fastest guys don't blip, blipping wastes rpm and time. You shouldn't let the tach fall far enough to NEED to blip. Search youtube for 'STAR jason pridmore downshifting' for videos on the proper way to accomplish downshifts.

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all i meant was if you're at speed and holding the clutch in and then let it go without matching (like a big downshift w/o blipping) then you're probably going over the front when it catches.

not possible. Only way to endo is to lock the front. As for you going over the bars.......really really really unlikely. The rear will chatter and skip, but there's not nearly as much deceleration as you're assuming.
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not possible. Only way to endo is to lock the front. As for you going over the bars.......really really really unlikely. The rear will chatter and skip, but there's not nearly as much deceleration as you're assuming.
christ, its just an example - lock up rear, go over front

go try dropping a couple gears at 60 and dumping the clutch, you'll be superman.
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Blip shifting is a skill that everyone needs to forget about entirely. The fastest guys don't blip, blipping wastes rpm and time. You shouldn't let the tach fall far enough to NEED to blip. Search youtube for 'STAR jason pridmore downshifting' for videos on the proper way to accomplish downshifts

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1:18...Ty Howard blipping twice as he enters Diamonds edge 2 weeks ago at MSRH. Watch his right hand.




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Don't blip. That's about as funny as suggesting that a shift without a blip will cause an endo.

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Don't blip. That's about as funny as suggesting that a shift without a blip will cause an endo.

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Jason Pridmore vs Ty Howard. Believe who you want.

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You should feel what needs to happen and just do it. Not a lot of thinking imo more like point the bike where you want it to go and react.
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Don't blip. That's about as funny as suggesting that a shift without a blip will cause an endo.

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I couldnt agree more... some great advice being given in this thread
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......which won't happen because you don't rev much. The rear tire locks and chatters. Trust me, I've done it countless times on a Vtwin litre, you're not going anywhere.
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Zero the engine braking your describing is how I "set" the frt tire load before every turn. Engine braking is your friend.
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......which won't happen because you don't rev much. The rear tire locks and chatters. Trust me, I've done it countless times on a Vtwin litre, you're not going anywhere.
you intentionally shift like ?
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Zero the engine braking your describing is how I "set" the frt tire load before every turn. Engine braking is your friend.
i use engine braking all the time, thats not what im talking about, i was trying to describe what happens at an extreme level of horrible downshifting.
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