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Old 03-27-2011, 12:38 AM   #1
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What do you think about before approaching a turn?

How did you get over your mental block?

When did it become second nature to you?
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Old 03-27-2011, 12:48 AM   #2
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I've never been to the track, but...

I try to look as far as i can into the turn and how tight it is, take a quick glance at oncoming, downshift to about 8k rpm, countdown to position myself then lean into it.

During, i just look off into the turn and ignore everything external else. I try for as little mid-turn correction as possible.

I had been learning little tips from different riders all the time and have always evolved into how I like to lean into my turns. It's pretty much second nature by now, but I coulnd't tell you how long it took me to get here.

Are you having concentration/calculation issues before the turns?
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I've never been to the track, but...

I try to look as far as i can into the turn and how tight it is, take a quick glance at oncoming, downshift to about 8k rpm, countdown to position myself then lean into it.

During, i just look off into the turn and ignore everything external else. I try for as little mid-turn correction as possible.

I had been learning little tips from different riders all the time and have always evolved into how I like to lean into my turns. It's pretty much second nature by now, but I coulnd't tell you how long it took me to get here.

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Get set up before the turn. Probably 3 to 5 seconds out. One cheek off knee out. Downshift and braking. The less imputs the better through the turn. Remember smooth is fast.
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brake & downshift, set corner entry speed, lean into turn, good times.
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Do all your breaking, shifting, set up etc before you tip it in.
Get back on the gas, enough to settle the bike and maintain the line
look waayy down the road, past the exit
accelerate as soon as you can see the exit

Biggest thing is don't coast into the turn and then try to pick the throttle up.. that just unsettles all your work
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What do you think about before approaching a turn?

How did you get over your mental block?

When did it become second nature to you?

Since you posted this in the track section, I assume you are talking about approaching a turn, on the track. As I have progressed my thoughts now are, in this order...

1. Set my corner entry speed (braking)
2. Make sure I am in the correct gear for maximum drive and bike stability / responsiveness (downshifting)
3. Look for my apex or clip point (look through the corner)
4. Look for my exit (look farther through the corner)
5. Throttle application (acceleration)

What are you struggling with? What do you mean by "mental block"?
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I know one thing I have trouble with is looking at my exit. I tend to want to scan between the exit and what's in front of me. I think it's because a lack of confidence in traction and the surface. I guess because I ride so much on the street I'm always worried about that bump, slick spot, etc.
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I've never been to the track, but...

I try to look as far as i can into the turn and how tight it is, take a quick glance at oncoming, downshift to about 8k rpm, countdown to position myself then lean into it.

During, i just look off into the turn and ignore everything external else. I try for as little mid-turn correction as possible.

I had been learning little tips from different riders all the time and have always evolved into how I like to lean into my turns. It's pretty much second nature by now, but I coulnd't tell you how long it took me to get here.

Are you having concentration/calculation issues before the turns?
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Since you posted this in the track section, I assume you are talking about approaching a turn, on the track. As I have progressed my thoughts now are, in this order...

1. Set my corner entry speed (braking)
2. Make sure I am in the correct gear for maximum drive and bike stability / responsiveness (downshifting)
3. Look for my apex or clip point (look through the corner)
4. Look for my exit (look farther through the corner)
5. Throttle application (acceleration)

What are you struggling with? What do you mean by "mental block"?
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This is difficult to answer because to each it's own. You do what you feel is comfortable. Before you know it you will be faster on that same corner the more you do it. Take everything you heard and through it out the window. :P


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Idk after msf for me really, then I slowly kept getting better and better, then once I dragged foot and thought it was cool, told someone who road track my new skill and then he told me it was due to poor body positioning, then started lookin them up on YouTube, putting them to use and just got really comfortable on my bike.

Thought process,

Turn coming, check
Ppl behind me, check
Low gear for throttle control in turn, check
Body position, check
Hit the turn, get low, have fun, check check
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Thanks for the advice everyone.I'm in my newb stage and was wondering how others got out of it.

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What are you struggling with? What do you mean by "mental block"?
Last track day I surprised myself and walked away with confidence.
Although I conquered the turns(for the better part of the day) I couldn't convince myself to get my speed up.
I fish tailed a little bit at the track and didn't want to experience that again.I am practicing down shifting but not at a high speed.

Should I look at my speedometer or rpm while down shifting?

I want to work on speed but worried about down shifting correctly and making the turn as smooth as possible.
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Fishtail is caused by not matching rpm to speed, and being a little rough on the shift

Are you blipping when down shifting to match the gear/rpm?
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I know I'm not down shifting correctly

I thought blipping was for more advance riders..
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I know I'm not down shifting correctly

I thought blipping was for more advance riders..
nope, it's a skill for everyone at any level. A lot of newer SS bikes have slipper clutches but it is still a good habit to have.

Just like clutchless upshifts... all a part of the basic tool box.
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if you are downshifting you have to raise your rpms.

'blipping' may be throwing you off, try to think of it in different terms - all you are trying to do is get the rpm's higher so you dont dive in front and fishtail the rear. I had some trouble with this a while back when i started riding the 250 and running way higher rpm's than my old 1000.

when you pull the clutch its going to drop your rpm's to idle speed. if you release the clutch while the rpm's are that low and you just downshifted then the rpm's are going to spike, the bike will try to stop and you're probably going to endo. The solution to that is pull in the clutch and give it gas to keep the rpm's high so when you start to release the clutch the engine speed is already met so its a smooth transition with no surprises. 'blipping' is just a quick way to do all that, so you dont have to baby the gas while you're clutching..

'blip' the throttle, rpm's boost, you clutch and shift and by the time to release the clutch in the new gear the rpm's are still 'blipped' higher and you dont dive.
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