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Old 09-13-2006, 06:24 PM   #21
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yeah 2'10 is average QUICk on the track i mean not supper fast and not slow.. a fun nice speed... when you get 2'05 and lower thats moving.. and 1' somthing thats just crazy.. and if you havent been to the track and dont know refrence points youll never make it past 2'15 i dont care if its liter bike or not if you have never been to a track and know how to handle the track it will not be done..

I am not aiming to be pro or anything of that status, my goals is to get around 2' to 2'05" on an average not just one/two laps and I'll be happy with that numbers.
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Old 09-13-2006, 06:47 PM   #22
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i wasnt telling you to.. im just sayin 205 and faster it way fast and i would like to be at that level to.. but i would also like to be able to push past that..
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i wasnt telling you to.. im just sayin 205 and faster it way fast and i would like to be at that level to.. but i would also like to be able to push past that..

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can't wait to hit it up i wanna know my times im ready
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Old 09-13-2006, 07:34 PM   #25
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If ya'll do mount up some lap timers.. mount them behind you, or somewhere where you *CAN"T* see it until after the session, or better yet, at the end of the day.
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mine was in the trunk and the sender was on the tail of the bike you can see it in the pic of my sig with the green tape to hold it on..
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Old 09-13-2006, 08:02 PM   #27
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4:00... A conservative guess, might be a little more than that but not by much.
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Is this the same bunch of guys who were baggin' on me for doing 2:02s on a STOCK SV and saying that was SLOW three days ago???? :BangHead:

Seriously though, Mammothmc, if you want me to, I will show you how/where an SV can be as fast as a liter bike on a track. It's like Patrick and Texasyankee said: TWS (Texas World Speedway) does tend to favor Hp bikes because it is laid out like that. However, the lap time discrepancy between bikes shortens on the smaller tracks because the big bikes just don't have the space to use the hp/top speed advantage. Also, just because you have more Hp doesn't necessarliy mean you can lay that down on the track and translate it to speed/quick lap times. Most newbs end up spinning up the rear and pitching themsleves off in a hurry because they are not smooth on the throttle and are "trying to go fast". Instead, my philosophy is that you will learn much more if you "go slow to go fast" and work on "being smooth" instead of focusing on fast laptimes. Work on good technique, lines, smooth inputs into the bike, then, the speed will follow naturally.

...IMHO, there is nothing worse than errantly learning to be a "point and squirt" squid on a literbike who parks it in the turns...

Look me up at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

BTW, PATRICK, I LOVE YOU MAN!!! You guys have been a HUGE help to me this year! Brandon easily got me 2 seconds at OH last weekend by helping me with my Ohlins and tweaking the knobs a bit.

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Old 09-13-2006, 09:55 PM   #30
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Maybe I need to carify what I said. I mean people riding in expert on a trackday not racers. Does that sound better?

Bill, you hanging out too much at MSRH
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If ya'll do mount up some lap timers.. mount them behind you, or somewhere where you *CAN"T* see it until after the session, or better yet, at the end of the day.
I disagree with this fellas... mounting a lap timer at the front of the bike - be it on the tank, next to the cluster, or even on the bars should be fine...

and i advise against waiting until the end of the day to check your times too...

instead, you should probably check your times right after your session... so you can become familiar with the pace you just ran...

not only that... but sometimes you can feel like you just ran the best lap you've ever done - and then come into the pits and find out you were just doing your average pace... it helps to keep tabs... the laptimer never lies... :BangHead:

seriously though, like Z said... don't let lap times dictate everything you do at the track... primarily work on being smooth... smooth=fast...

eh basically +1 everything racergirl said...

p.s. my times are probably anywhere from 2:03 to 2:05 in 'b' group lately... i figure a 2:00 laptime will happen when it happens...
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yeah 2'10 is average QUICk on the track i mean not supper fast and not slow.. a fun nice speed... when you get 2'05 and lower thats moving.. and 1' somthing thats just crazy.. and if you havent been to the track and dont know refrence points youll never make it past 2'15 i dont care if its liter bike or not if you have never been to a track and know how to handle the track it will not be done..

exactly. i cant count how many liter bike i smoke at TWS (Texas World Speedway). haha, taylor can say the same thing. taylor runs like 2:07-2:06 and i run like 2:10- or so. and we are both on a 600. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a fast track.
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Old 09-14-2006, 12:23 AM   #33
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exactly. i cant count how many liter bike i smoke at TWS (Texas World Speedway). haha, taylor can say the same thing. taylor runs like 2:07-2:06 and i run like 2:10- or so. and we are both on a 600. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a fast track.
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Old 09-14-2006, 12:23 AM   #34
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I'd say if the guy that started the thread is worried about times before his first track day...then he's worrying about the wrong thing. I've spoken w/ Henry a bunch of times and he's right, smooth = fast. He should worry about body positioning, throttle control, lines, etc. before he should worry about his times
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Following this thread.
So far 600 vs. 1000 - it doesnt matter.
The rider works on technique rather than relying on HP to be fast.
Dont worry about being fast, work on the fundamentals-body position, braking, cornering , shifting, lines, getting smooth.
Dont worry about trying to blast aass on the track.
Did I say work on being smooth?
Cant wait till Oct 30.
Thanks all. Information on this board is excellent.
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Maybe I need to carify what I said. I mean people riding in expert on a trackday not racers. Does that sound better?
FWIW, I run just under 2:00 at TWS (Texas World Speedway). When I run in the A group w/ LSTD, I am one of the slowest guys in the group...
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Look a CMRA results this year at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and you will see the Winning novice in the "A" class is on a 600 turning 1:52.9's. Tenth place is 2:02+ while mid pack in the 600 superstock is around 2:04ish.
If you want to discuss cc's around the track, look at Ty Howards times for a good indicator of the difference HP makes..... for example.....

Ty on a ......
600.......1:46.05
750.......1:44.90
1k.........1:43.06 (probably the track record or close)

No times for him on an SV but probably right behind a 600 by a few seconds. No doubt he can wring the most out of a bike so he makes a good test rider for your purposes.
Best I've done is in Formula 1 race on the 750 at 1:53.171, only race I've beat Kessley this year. Hopeful for the low 52's in October race.
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Look a CMRA results this year at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and you will see the Winning novice in the "A" class is on a 600 turning 1:52.9's. Tenth place is 2:02+ while mid pack in the 600 superstock is around 2:04ish.
If you want to discuss cc's around the track, look at Ty Howards times for a good indicator of the difference HP makes..... for example.....

Ty on a ......
600.......1:46.05
750.......1:44.90
1k.........1:43.06 (probably the track record or close)

No times for him on an SV but probably right behind a 600 by a few seconds. No doubt he can wring the most out of a bike so he makes a good test rider for your purposes.
Best I've done is in Formula 1 race on the 750 at 1:53.171, only race I've beat Kessley this year. Hopeful for the low 52's in October race.
thats ****ing fast!!!!!!!!
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