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Old 03-22-2011, 08:57 AM   #1
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Turbo Charging

I'm asking for input from people with experience in Turbocharged bikes. Preferably any experience with the Hayabusa or ZX14 with forced induction. Also, this is for roll racing specifically so a drag setup is of NO importance. Thanks.
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Roll Racing - Starting from highway speed, honking 3 times and letting out at warp speed.

I guess I did something new at TX2K11.
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Roll Racing - Starting from highway speed, honking 3 times and letting out at warp speed.

I guess I did something new at TX2K11.
That's called a wallet challenge, or <x> from a roll. Its not a race, though.
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What you want to know? its fun, its expensive, its dangerous, its fun....

I would stick with T charging a busa....WAY more used parts available, better turbo kits on the market. A lot more shops willing to work on them.

BADZX14 has had horrible luck keeping his Turbo 14 going....always melting ....although it runs strong WHEN its running.....

One thing I can tell you is you need to intercool it. The best kit out there for what you are wanting to do (roll ons or land speed race, even street cruising) is the RCC Ultra Kit. It has a water cooled intercooler built into the plenum and an external heat exchanger....You can make 400rwhp safely on pump gas (18lbs of boost or so) and make up to around 550rwhp on C16 at around 35lbs of boost using the GT35R turbo. You can also upgrade to the Super Ultra kit which uses a twin entry GT40R that is good to about 650hp.....but it has noticeable lag and is very violent....You will need an AMS1000 boost controller for sure with that big to ramp in the boost...

If $12k is a biscuit too much for you to spend on the Ultra, and you don't need 550rwhp, then maybe look at the RCC STG II kit with the air to air intercooler....It is good for 300 rwhp on pump gas and around 400-440hp on race fuel.....This is the kit that I have and I love it....Great for a street bike, good quick spooling turbo, decent all around power....Enough to run 240mph or so...

Depends on what you want to do...
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***DING***

You rang?

What you want to know? its fun, its expensive, its dangerous, its fun....

I would stick with T charging a busa....WAY more used parts available, better turbo kits on the market. A lot more shops willing to work on them.

BADZX14 has had horrible luck keeping his Turbo 14 going....always melting ....although it runs strong WHEN its running.....

One thing I can tell you is you need to intercool it. The best kit out there for what you are wanting to do (roll ons or land speed race, even street cruising) is the RCC Ultra Kit. It has a water cooled intercooler built into the plenum and an external heat exchanger....You can make 400rwhp safely on pump gas (18lbs of boost or so) and make up to around 550rwhp on C16 at around 35lbs of boost using the GT35R turbo. You can also upgrade to the Super Ultra kit which uses a twin entry GT40R that is good to about 650hp.....but it has noticeable lag and is very violent....You will need an AMS1000 boost controller for sure with that big to ramp in the boost...

If $12k is a biscuit too much for you to spend on the Ultra, and you don't need 550rwhp, then maybe look at the RCC STG II kit with the air to air intercooler....It is good for 300 rwhp on pump gas and around 400-440hp on race fuel.....This is the kit that I have and I love it....Great for a street bike, good quick spooling turbo, decent all around power....Enough to run 240mph or so...

Depends on what you want to do...

psssssssssssssssssssssssssssssh, what do YOU know?!
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1441 and spray is cheaper and wont have any lag. the HP of the 1441 should take care of most street cars. The spray will help with most of the big boys. I sure would like a turbo though.

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It took a 1400hp Supra to outrun me from 60-130.So why do you need a turbo?
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It took a 1400hp Supra to outrun me from 60-130.So why do you need a turbo?
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It took a 1400hp Supra to outrun me from 60-130.So why do you need a turbo?
Very true...... The turbo's advantage really isn't obvious until after 130mph..... but from 140-150 and up to 200+, not much gonna touch them....

Just have to be prepared that the initial "hit" is not there with a turbo like NA bike....it comes in about 2-3 seconds later....which usually results in smoking the tire from a 70 mph roll....
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Very true...... The turbo's advantage really isn't obvious until after 130mph..... but from 140-150 and up to 200+, not much gonna touch them....

Just have to be prepared that the initial "hit" is not there with a turbo like NA bike....it comes in about 2-3 seconds later....which usually results in smoking the tire from a 70 mph roll....
Thanks, this is actually going for a 100% StreetBike and will have to hold up to heat and multiple pulls on the highway. Also, input on what others mods to be done to help with the heat and stress.

Basically for others who read this and think I'm crazy: A friend of mine found out how slow a ZX10 is compared to real street cars at TX2k11 and now his "wallet is ready to race" next year.

He wants to keep the engine stock and just build up a healthy amount of power without getting into the realm of breaking down after every couple of runs.

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It took a 1400hp Supra to outrun me from 60-130.So why do you need a turbo?
Sad to say it but, 1400 HP isnt anymore........ Ive been going to these supra meets for about 7 years now. Ive seen turbo busas get outrun by supras on a few occasions. 1400 was enough back in 05 06 but now these guys are making over 2k now.

Sounds like this guy wants to play with the big boys. Not sure what it would take to catch these extremely high hp cars. Your really pushing the limits of traction on 1 wheel.
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Built motor, Ultra kit, 550rwhp, land speed chasis, data logging etc.... This can "possibly" get him in the 250mph standing mile range....Right in the thick of those 1800hp Supras and TT Lambos.... BUT there is a lot more to it then just throwing a bunch of big dollar parts together and going fast.....Lots of science with the aerodynamics and trying to get/keep traction....The biggest problem with high speed racing on big power bikes is traction.....Its nothing to be running 250 mph and still spinning the back tire.....You can completely toast a brand new Power Pure tire in 5-6 passes...

To the OP, if your buddy has real cash, I have a friend who is selling his LSR bike, its about the number #3 or 4 fastest bike in the country in the standing mile. It has ran a best of 261.5 mph(with a 250lb rider), ran many passes in the mid 250s....has just been fully rebuilt with new custom body work......It has EVERYTHING it needs to be a top contender in LSR racing.... It makes well over 600rwhp. All the science and labor is done for you....all you have to do is get on it and have of steel..... Bring your wallet though....it aint cheap.

Hit me up if your serious about wanting to take out the big boys....
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but does it go potato-potato-potato?
It will if you dont know what you are doing!
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