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Old 03-20-2011, 10:15 AM   #21
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Hope he lives to learn... spring is here. Three rider down threads, two down on the Noob paced ride


Is it time to do another dedicated noob ride, for cornering virgins???
Ya know, you be right. One that starts out with a 20-30 minute riders meeting that targets the Noobs
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Ya know, you be right. One that starts out with a 20-30 minute riders meeting that targets the Noobs
No, I am referring to one we did a couple years ago with the same number noobs as experienced helpers, and started with the basics and worked up to a brisker pace.

Noobs only; no fast group

Think crawl - walk - jog and run later.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:12 AM   #24
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No, I am referring to one we did a couple years ago with the same number noobs as experienced helpers, and started with the basics and worked up to a brisker pace.

Noobs only; no fast group

Think crawl - walk - jog and run later.
Without a doubt, something like this is needed. I get tired of seeing so many "rider down" threads. Many of which could have been prevented. Do something like this on the West side and count me in.
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I've put the offer out there a couple times in the past to help any noobs that are interested.. one on one relaxed no groups no pressure.

Maybe we could start a sticky thread and have us older folks offer up to take a noob or two under the wing and at least show them the very basics.

Call it "self-preservation" of the sport.

It's surprised me more than a few times how some riders of 5-10 years still don't understand countersteering....

Yeah, yeah I know... Trackdays... Advanced MSF.. rider school...

Sometimes it's easier for people to go ride with a friend and swap pointers....
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Amazing to me you can purchase, insure, and drive away on a motorcycle with no training and no license. How is this still possible? If we as m/c groups had the cojones for it, we would start petitioning lawmakers to change this. It would really be impressive and might save some of our friends' lives!

Personally, I would support the requirement of the intermediate course as well, within the first year of getting a license, but at least, requiring a license to buy a bike.
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Maybe we could start a sticky thread and have us older folks offer up to take a noob or two under the wing and at least show them the very basics.

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This is something I do from time to time. It's usually a co-worker that has just gotten themselves a bike and/or a co-workers son or daughter that has just gotten one. One thing I tend to stress is practicing emergency braking and steering. I've been riding for 30 years now and I still practice these two things twice a month. That way when the unexpected happens, it's a natural action instead of an unnatural reaction.
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I've put the offer out there a couple times in the past to help any noobs that are interested.. one on one relaxed no groups no pressure.

Maybe we could start a sticky thread and have us older folks offer up to take a noob or two under the wing and at least show them the very basics.

Call it "self-preservation" of the sport.

It's surprised me more than a few times how some riders of 5-10 years still don't understand countersteering....
Yeah, yeah I know... Trackdays... Advanced MSF.. rider school...

Sometimes it's easier for people to go ride with a friend and swap pointers....
this is how i learned about countersteering....when someone i was riding with told me about it, it didnt make sense then i tried it and was like DANG....
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Amazing to me you can purchase, insure, and drive away on a motorcycle with no training and no license. How is this still possible? If we as m/c groups had the cojones for it, we would start petitioning lawmakers to change this. It would really be impressive and might save some of our friends' lives!

Personally, I would support the requirement of the intermediate course as well, within the first year of getting a license, but at least, requiring a license to buy a bike.
The law can only protect us so much, but for the most part just gets in the way and annoys the outta some of us (me for one). Being riders thrusts us all into the realm of natural selection. Murphys laws and darwinism apply to us more than any other human being since the advent of civilization, and sometimes we go down just because of pure bad
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You've gotta know in the pit of your soul that you're literally putting your life on the line every time you get on the bike, no matter if it's your first ride or you've been doing it for thirty years. the guys and gals that last that long know that. I attribute my zero-crash record to nothing but luck- skill and situational awareness help, but its probably only about 10% of the battle.

I also acknowledge the fact that despite my best efforts I WILL fall one day, and no matter how bad it is I pray im able to fully recover and get back on the bike.

I pray the same for this kid. Get well soon buddy.

BTW, there's apparently a right way and a wrong way to crash a bike and I think everyone ought to at least read up on it just in case. Lemme see if I can find the thread.
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Amazing to me you can purchase, insure, and drive away on a motorcycle with no training and no license. How is this still possible? If we as m/c groups had the cojones for it, we would start petitioning lawmakers to change this. It would really be impressive and might save some of our friends' lives!

Personally, I would support the requirement of the intermediate course as well, within the first year of getting a license, but at least, requiring a license to buy a bike.
Why should one not be allowed to purchase whateverthefuck he wants without having to get approval from the government?

Besides, no law will change stupidity my friend. If someone was going to ride one without having a clue how, he's going to do it regardless of the law.

I mean, seriously, what restrictions would you put on everyone which would be guaranteed to keep one moron from doing something stupid?
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The law can only protect us so much, but for the most part just gets in the way and annoys the outta some of us (me for one). Being riders thrusts us all into the realm of natural selection. Murphys laws and darwinism apply to us more than any other human being since the advent of civilization, and sometimes we go down just because of pure bad luck.
Bunch of Hooie. (natural selection, really?)

It's illogical that a safer ride in a cage requires it, but a very dangerous ride on a motorcycle (that requires all the other requirements for motorized vehicles) doesn't require even the most basic training. It's stupidity, especially since the younger crowd is hyper-interested in the most dangerous riding of all.

I am not interested in being afraid of 'big bad gub'mint'. I am interested though in at least some modicum of intelligence being applied to what the dangers are and how to handle a motorcycle before allowing people to go out and cause wrecks that endanger themselves and others, and cause all our insurance rates to go up.

Since you brought up the point about the potential for anyone to fall, not just noobs, I'll bite - of course it's possible. But surely the potential would be lessened a bit by at least some kind of talent assessment? This is not "The Game of Life", it is real life. There is no reason we should not have the HIGHEST skill levels on the road, not the lowest.

In fact, all driving licenses should be much harder to get, and require continual-improvement courses. There are too many lives lost to poor skill.
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Why should one not be allowed to purchase whateverthefuck he wants without having to get approval from the government?

Besides, no law will change stupidity my friend. If someone was going to ride one without having a clue how, he's going to do it regardless of the law.

I mean, seriously, what restrictions would you put on everyone which would be guaranteed to keep one moron from doing something stupid?
No, you can't always fix stupid, but at least you could get to the point of teaching the basics (even though we might lose all those funny NOOB-Fall videos on YouTube.)

Texas requires the basic MSF course now to get a license. That's a good thing because if you can't pass, you won't get a license. An idiot will still ride without a license, or borrow someone else's bike, but he will get arrested, which is a good thing for idiots. At least it's ONE thing that could be done to help.
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It'll never happen.. we are a nation of spoiled cry babys. Not only better driver training, but better information about stupid we all do like talk on cell phones while driving, surf the web, put on makeup etc.

Even basic rules of the road like only using the left lane for passing, not cruising while you smoke and text.. it IS a state law and not enforced...

But I do agree that you shouldn't be able to purchase a bike without a valid M stamp. At least the bare minimum of training would be required anyhow.
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No, you can't always fix stupid, but at least you could get to the point of teaching the basics (even though we might lose all those funny NOOB-Fall videos on YouTube.)

Texas requires the basic MSF course now to get a license. That's a good thing because if you can't pass, you won't get a license. An idiot will still ride without a license, or borrow someone else's bike, but he will get arrested, which is a good thing for idiots. At least it's ONE thing that could be done to help.
So let me get this straight - its ALREADY required by law and you want another law?
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Bunch of Hooie. (natural selection, really?)

It's illogical that a safer ride in a cage requires it,
Hate to break it to you but no, neither a license nor insurance are required to BUY a car.
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