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Old 03-14-2011, 10:17 PM   #1
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Beckoning to the Dark Side - Boost

I finally did the deed, I purchased a turbo kit for the GSXR1000. The deal was quite good in that I purchased a used kit for under 25% of new. Kit "supposedly" had less than 1000 miles when bike was wrecked. Stock motored '07 made just over 190WHP at 3 psi and just under 240WHP at 6 psi.

I am not sure if I will install on my '08 or first install on one of the other '07/'08s to get the hang of the turbo package and tuning involved.

It promises to be interesting.


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Old 03-14-2011, 11:46 PM   #2
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Do it on the one you want. I would hate to have to do it all twice. Gonna be a bad . What turbo is it?
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:53 PM   #3
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Do it on something without taylormade exhaust already on it $$$
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:24 AM   #4
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Do it on the one you want. I would hate to have to do it all twice. Gonna be a bad . What turbo is it?
I hear what you are saying. However, it is simply a bolt on when using low boost, so I would think that I could remove from one bike and re-install on another bike. I really don't want to hurt my bike while "learning" the ins and outs of the bike TC systems. Once I feel I have a good handle on the TC, and assuming I like the way it behaves, I can choose (or not) to move it to one of the other 1000s. Concept works for me.

The kit is a modified RCC. Two main pointss that made me comfortable with the RCC is the divorced wastegate (though it is an option for the VR), and the oil cooler bypass (vs block off plates for competitors). Another thing that "appealed" to me is that the system has a "one-off" turbo (and wastegate) discharge that routes behind the fairings where the factory cat discharge used to be on the R side of the bike (think Jardine slip-on). Requires very minimal trimming of the L fairing only.

With that being said, I do have a bit of experience with high boost applications in autos.
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Any plans for a boost controller or just run off the spring?
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:46 AM   #6
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Sounds like fun. My dad has been trying to talk me out of doing nitrous and into a turbo setup instead. I just dont know anything about them.
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:03 AM   #7
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I think it will be an interesting, new experience for me. I look forward to my first turbo bike experience. Lots of learning soon.

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As a point of reference, there are lots of people who have been in cars that produce 8-12 psi. But this is typically at 4-7K RPM. I, too, have experienced that.

I had a car that produced 18 psi at 6200RPM. I decided I wanted something different. So I started from scratch and began the design with the intent to have 10 psi in by 2200RPM and have 22 psi by 3800 and then max at ~30 psi on the top end. While the 30+ psi is fun, it is absolutely AWESOME to have 10 psi at just above 2000RPM. This is useable power that you can feel "beckoning" even when cruising legal speeds. It is a manual, so the RPM range starts at ~1600, even though you clutch it from a stop at ~1200RPM. Basically, the boost is always there!
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I would like to start with this kit and figure out what I can do to make it better. I feel certain that while I have purchased this kit, I will not be running the same package a year down the road. That is just me.
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Old 03-15-2011, 09:16 PM   #8
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Any suggestion on the tuner? Right now I am leaning towards Johnny Cheese. Several others have seconded that recomendation.

Really leaning towards doing this to an '07 that I have sitting here just waiting for some fun. Maybe make it yellow and silver (yellow wheels) with the turbo. I like yellow.
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gosh it must be hard making such daunting decisions!
The black one would make one of a sleeper with 6-9psi and stock trim
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I dont think you could go wrong with Cheese
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I agree, Johnnys the man, should be fun, btw I need to come by and get that wheel, I will give U a call, thanks Aaron, boost is very adicting, or so I hear
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Is it an RCC stg 1 kit? FMU?

Keep the boost low, the rods in the 1000s are barely hold 200hp safely......not to mention if you don't reduce the compression, it will detonate itself into molten lava. IF youre gonna run stock compression on 93 oct, I would keep the boost around 4 psi..... That would get you 190+hp (if the turbo is the T3/T4 hybrid) and the rods should stay in the motor....and less likely to melt down...I would also look into throwing an Aquamist water injection kit on it for some added protection.

If the kit uses an FMU, I would tear it apart and inspect/replace the shims. These are very problematic and the cause of many melt downs.

A turbo 1000 would be hella fun, I have considered throwing a kit on mine as well but......I need to keep one stocker for long trips etc....


Hit me up if you have any questions about the kit install etc..... I have worked on atleast 6-7 RCC equipped bikes.... I have owned 2 RCC kits myself.

OH and on the tuning, I would definitely use Johnny Cheese.
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Old 03-16-2011, 04:54 PM   #13
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I boosted my 04 harley, Nallin Performance big bore kit, 585 cams, Buell xb heads heavily massaged with huge valves etc, 10.5-1 compression ratio and I ran 8# with a Warner-Ishi RHB-52, was a nasty , dragbike like burnouts through 3rd, could really tear a tire up, or zip to 130 in a fkn blink! boost is addictive and just fun stuff.
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Old 03-17-2011, 09:48 PM   #14
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Is it an RCC stg 1 kit? FMU?

Keep the boost low, the rods in the 1000s are barely hold 200hp safely......not to mention if you don't reduce the compression, it will detonate itself into molten lava. IF youre gonna run stock compression on 93 oct, I would keep the boost around 4 psi..... That would get you 190+hp (if the turbo is the T3/T4 hybrid) and the rods should stay in the motor....and less likely to melt down...I would also look into throwing an Aquamist water injection kit on it for some added protection.
RCC Stage 1 kit that has been modified. There are numerous guys over on PB that are running 6-8.5+ on stock engines that are running from 235-260WHP. They have been doing it for several years. I am leaning to run 6.5-8 psi boost while te motor is "stock".


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If the kit uses an FMU, I would tear it apart and inspect/replace the shims. These are very problematic and the cause of many melt downs.
I agree that FMU is not my desired direction, but will be initial set-up. I would like to see if I can add all of the fuel through the ECU (similar to the way I do on my cars). I will inspect and double-check all prior to operating.


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Hit me up if you have any questions about the kit install etc..... I have worked on atleast 6-7 RCC equipped bikes.... I have owned 2 RCC kits myself.

OH and on the tuning, I would definitely use Johnny Cheese.
Thanks for the offer Alan, it is much appreciated.
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How'd you like your suspension setup?
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you need a good motor to start with... i might have access to one or two
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AKS....I seriously would not run that much boost on stock compression. Even if the rods were to hold 260hp(which I doubt for long), you will melt those pistons faster then butter on hot toast...... I have even seen Gen 1 busas with a TRUE 8 psi of boost melt pistons at stock compression (rated at 11.0-1 but actually measures out to 10.5-10.7 usually) with a good tune. The problem is the heat of the intake charge and the heat in that high compression chamber....its just too much. Even if it is plenty rich, it can still detonate itself into a glob...... And all that is assuming it doesnt push the stock head gasket first.... I would either keep the boost at 5-6psi(max) or put a thick head gasket in it to bring the compression down a tad....and even then I would run water injection.

OR....the alternative...
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This was a low compression motor, 10 lbs of boost and 11.5 AFR.....too much heat for too long a run....Only running 177mph when this happened...



Now I run this:
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If you check RCCs site, youll see in the item description that they give you a thicker head gasket to drop your compression, so I would at least do that, and some good head studs.

It good tho that you have an 07. You can use ecu editor and do a boost fuel set up just like on the gen 2 busas. That way you can ditch the fmu, and run a 1:1.

But either way, boost is fun. I just upped my boost, and the bikes around 300whp...almost too much power to run around on the street with. But its sooooo fun!
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I just ordered my rpm(velocity)stage one kit about a week ago I'm already tired of waiting for it.
They claim 6 psi on a stock I mean bone stock motor is no issue.. Not sure what else I need to do.. Let me know how yours goes
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I just ordered my rpm(velocity)stage one kit about a week ago I'm already tired of waiting for it.
They claim 6 psi on a stock I mean bone stock motor is no issue.. Not sure what else I need to do.. Let me know how yours goes

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